I asked my friend why Python and Kivy. He kindly answered with a lengthy
response I transfer bellow.
Hilaire
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Sujet : Re: How are you?
Date : Wed, 8 Jul 2015 11:39:32 +0800
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Répondre à :ckh...@frdm.info
Pour : Hilaire Fernandes
Wow,
Le 06/07/2015 23:25, H. Hirzel a écrit :
> @Hilaire, what do you think is outstanding of special about Kivy?
It just comes from a friend writting me he will start course at his
university with Python and Kivy, and of course I wonder why not Pharo!
Looking at Kivy features I guess motiviation came f
Le 05/07/2015 18:55, stepharo a écrit :
> Yes
> Now our project is: We also want Pharo to be a modern prototyping UI
> platform
> and this is why we did athens, cairo, now gesture, bloc, Morphic
> cleaning, brick,
And Athens is a fantastic move forward...
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Le 6/7/15 20:32, Stephan Eggermont a écrit :
On 06-07-15 17:25, H. Hirzel wrote:
I think to illustrate this it might be a nice experiment to develop a
'hello world' equivalent for GUI construction and have it rendered in
as many user interface languages as possible (Kivy, various types of
Morp
Peter,
Sorry for not reading your post properly, yes you write that Spec
offers the option to write adapters for other back-ends.
So I think the issue is to try to come up with an example which uses
some other adapters,
e.g.
XHTML (--> phonegap?)
Kivy
not necessarily complete, but co
On 7/6/15, Peter Uhnák wrote:
>>
>> > In addition the widgets as such might be rendered differently for
>> > different platforms (in Smalltalk in one of the GUI frameworks, an
>> > example was Squeak Morphic and MVC ) or outside (e.g. Kivy).
>> >
>> > @Hilaire, what do you think is outstanding of
On 06-07-15 17:25, H. Hirzel wrote:
I think to illustrate this it might be a nice experiment to develop a
'hello world' equivalent for GUI construction and have it rendered in
as many user interface languages as possible (Kivy, various types of
Morphic, Bloc etc., but as PPTX and ODP)
The domain
>
> http://scg.unibe.ch/archive/phd/renggli-phd.pdf
Argh where do you find the time to read all these papers, and books,
and everything? :-(
There must be some dark sorcery involved.
>
> > In addition the widgets as such might be rendered differently for
> > different platforms (in Smalltalk in one of the GUI frameworks, an
> > example was Squeak Morphic and MVC ) or outside (e.g. Kivy).
> >
> > @Hilaire, what do you think is outstanding of special about Kivy?
> >
> > I think t
Notes:
1. I understand that Kivy is an _external_ DSL (i.e. it is not Python
code), or is it Python code?
2. p 12 to 21 is about "2.1 Internal Languages"
3. The wikipedia example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kivy is too
simple. But the idea of a 'hello world type program' should be
maintained a
On 7/5/15, Alain Plantec via Pharo-users wrote:
> {no text body}
In his thesis
Dynamic Language Embedding
With Homogeneous Tool Support
http://scg.unibe.ch/archive/phd/renggli-phd.pdf
Lukas Renggli p 2 mentions internal DSLs.
Internal languages make a creative use of the host
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> I'm not sure that we need a DSL.
I’m not sure that we don’t need a DSL :)
Spec is a kind of dsl and the idea is cool.
>> This is a point that particularly interests me, especially regarding
>> declarative syntax.
>> Yes, but unfortunately not in 3 month (for my part)...
>
For the information we are working on touch and OSWindow improvements.
Alain is imporving Bloc the future graphic layer of Pharo, people from
bern are working on new widgets.
We are working on cleaning widgets. Now we also accept help.
Stef
Sure I know. The constituting parts does not make the
Le 04/07/2015 23:06, stepharo a écrit :
>
>>> For the information we are working on touch and OSWindow improvements.
>>> Alain is imporving Bloc the future graphic layer of Pharo, people from
>>> bern are working on new widgets.
>>> We are working on cleaning widgets. Now we also accept help.
>>>
>
For the information we are working on touch and OSWindow improvements.
Alain is imporving Bloc the future graphic layer of Pharo, people from
bern are working on new widgets.
We are working on cleaning widgets. Now we also accept help.
Stef
Sure I know. The constituting parts does not make the
+1
Le 4/7/15 19:36, Peter Uhnák a écrit :
Is Bloc a user interface markup language?
Or a graphic framework like Morphic?
Bloc is replacement for Morphic.
Smalltalk is the markup language; it gives you much more
expressiveness compared to static DSLs.
Le 4/7/15 19:04, Glenn Cavarlé a écrit :
Hannes Hirzel wrote
Is Bloc a user interface markup language?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface_markup_language
Or a graphic framework like Morphic?
Bloc is a graphical core framework, it provides the basics features to build
UI/Anim
Le 04/07/2015 15:58, stepharo a écrit :
> For the information we are working on touch and OSWindow improvements.
> Alain is imporving Bloc the future graphic layer of Pharo, people from
> bern are working on new widgets.
> We are working on cleaning widgets. Now we also accept help.
>
> Stef
>
> Le
>
> Is Bloc a user interface markup language?
> Or a graphic framework like Morphic?
>
Bloc is replacement for Morphic.
Smalltalk is the markup language; it gives you much more expressiveness
compared to static DSLs.
Hannes Hirzel wrote
> Is Bloc a user interface markup language?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface_markup_language
>
> Or a graphic framework like Morphic?
Bloc is a graphical core framework, it provides the basics features to build
UI/Animation frameworks on top of it. A mark
On 7/4/15, Hilaire wrote:
> For the record, a friend told me about this
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kivy
>
> Will it be cool to have something like that?
>
> Hilaire
Yes, and what about other options
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface_markup_language
?
--Hannes
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> Dr. G
On 7/4/15, Glenn Cavarlé wrote:
> Kivy embed a Python interpreter in a native mobile app. All is developed in
> Python in association with their own declarative language : the kivy
> language.
> To do the same thing with Smalltalk, i think you have CogDroid or
> PharoDroid
> that embed a small
Kivy embed a Python interpreter in a native mobile app. All is developed in
Python in association with their own declarative language : the kivy
language.
This is cool because with the bootstrap and modularPharo then it can be
really interesting.
I think that we will see all our efforts pay
Kivy embed a Python interpreter in a native mobile app. All is developed in
Python in association with their own declarative language : the kivy
language.
To do the same thing with Smalltalk, i think you have CogDroid or PharoDroid
that embed a smalltalk vm in a native mobile app. When Bloc Widge
For the information we are working on touch and OSWindow improvements.
Alain is imporving Bloc the future graphic layer of Pharo, people from
bern are working on new widgets.
We are working on cleaning widgets. Now we also accept help.
Stef
Le 4/7/15 15:36, Hilaire a écrit :
For the record, a
All. Without forgetting multiplateform.
I mean when you have such a framework, people get attracted, although
Kivy was likely developed the other way: developed for Python because
Python is well know and widely used.
I am curious to know how Kivy was developed in the first place: a small
communit
By "something like that" you mean what? More widgets? yaml-like DSL? Touch?
Peter
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Hilaire wrote:
> For the record, a friend told me about this
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kivy
>
> Will it be cool to have something like that?
>
> Hilaire
>
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For the record, a friend told me about this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kivy
Will it be cool to have something like that?
Hilaire
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