Re: [Pharo-users] [OT] TDD is dead. Long live testing. (DHH)

2014-04-23 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
TDD is great if you don't know the domain you're modeling, or if it isn't completely specified. Because you end up having the required functionality completely tested. On the other hand, if you are an expert in the domain, you'll implement features that are beyond the required (initial) specs, so

Re: [Pharo-users] [OT] TDD is dead. Long live testing. (DHH)

2014-04-23 Thread kilon alios
TDD does not convince me much either, I see it as a convenience but I am not so sure it really worths its time. Maybe because there too few coders out there that would make changes that will massively affect the system, or they wont do some form of testing anyway. I can see the benefit of TDD when

Re: [Pharo-users] [OT] TDD is dead. Long live testing. (DHH)

2014-04-23 Thread Dennis Schetinin
TDD is not about testing, it's about development. -- Best regards, Dennis Schetinin 2014-04-23 19:35 GMT+04:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe : > More or less what I think: testing is necessary and should be pragmatic & > fun, not a dogma > > http://david.heinemeierhansson.com/2014/tdd-is-dead-long-

Re: [Pharo-users] [OT] TDD is dead. Long live testing. (DHH)

2014-04-23 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
Testing has become more necessary in the context of Continuous Integration and automated building. You can't have those without test coverage. On the other hand, TDD is rather difficult with tools that doesn't allow you to develop inside the debugger, which is basically everything out there that i

[Pharo-users] [OT] TDD is dead. Long live testing. (DHH)

2014-04-23 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
More or less what I think: testing is necessary and should be pragmatic & fun, not a dogma http://david.heinemeierhansson.com/2014/tdd-is-dead-long-live-testing.html