Re: [Pharo-users] Slashdot Submission

2017-01-01 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Hi, On 01/01/17 14:37, horrido wrote: Quite true. The goal of my Smalltalk campaign has always been about marketing or "branding." The goal has been to get /as many people as possible/ thinking and talking about Smalltalk. It's not so much about the quality of conversation as actually having a

Re: [Pharo-users] Slashdot Submission

2017-01-01 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
Sorry Stef it will never happen. The issue here is not that Pharo is Smalltalk , the problem here is that you promote something that is too good to be true. Coders live in a denial state for decades now . The denial is about not wanting to recognize that even my hardware is 1 times better in

Re: [Pharo-users] Slashdot Submission

2017-01-01 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
May this one ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Factbook Just guessing ;-) > On 1 Jan 2017, at 22:06, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > Hi Stef! > > Which "Collective Intelligence" book are you referring to? Googling it gives > me plenty of hits that are not really a book > > Cheers > Ale

Re: [Pharo-users] Slashdot Submission

2017-01-01 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Hi Stef! Which "Collective Intelligence" book are you referring to? Googling it gives me plenty of hits that are not really a book Cheers Alexandre > Le 1 janv. 2017 à 21:32, stepharong a écrit : > > On Sun, 01 Jan 2017 19:04:14 +0100, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas > wrote: > > Page view

Re: [Pharo-users] Slashdot Submission

2017-01-01 Thread stepharong
I tried that tack. I said Pharo is only 8 years old, but some people come back and tell me that Pharo is still essentially Smalltalk. It's hard for me to disagree. Do not fight with such people. You should not care about assholes. Pharo is Pharo. Period. Come to have fun with us building s

Re: [Pharo-users] Slashdot Submission

2017-01-01 Thread stepharong
On Sun, 01 Jan 2017 19:04:14 +0100, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: Page views are a pretty bad metric about quality of conversation. I remember the XKCD comic about "someone is wrong on the Internet"[1] and I wonder if the energy should be put there, at all. [1] https://www.xkcd.c

Re: [Pharo-users] Slashdot Submission

2017-01-01 Thread horrido
"Page views are a pretty bad metric about quality of conversation." Quite true. The goal of my Smalltalk campaign has always been about marketing or "branding." The goal has been to get /as many people as possible/ thinking and talking about Smalltalk. It's not so much about the quality of convers

Re: [Pharo-users] A Suggested Promotion

2017-01-01 Thread serge . stinckwich
Sonic Pi is really a nice project. I participate to the French translation of the documentation. Connecting Sonic Pi and Pharo would be nice ;-) Regards Envoyé de mon iPhone > Le 1 janv. 2017 à 19:34, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas > a écrit : > > Hi, > The rasberry pi and alike have a lot of p

Re: [Pharo-users] A Suggested Promotion

2017-01-01 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Hi, The rasberry pi and alike have a lot of potential for popularizing technology and building the future. Recently I found Sonic Pi and after the conversation between Ben and Hilaire about minecraft and minetest, I'm learning about the last one and Lua. I would like to bridge Pharo with that

Re: [Pharo-users] Slashdot Submission

2017-01-01 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Page views are a pretty bad metric about quality of conversation. I remember the XKCD comic about "someone is wrong on the Internet"[1] and I wonder if the energy should be put there, at all. [1] https://www.xkcd.com/386/ In my case, some of my fellow programmers friends started with some fri

Re: [Pharo-users] What can we look forward to in 2017?

2017-01-01 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
May be some kind of "short interview format" is better. Most of the project pages tell what the project do, and showcase it, but having a personal author's view on why this project and the technology behind (Pharo/Smalltalk) is important would be a valuable addition and add the human story side

Re: [Pharo-users] Slashdot Submission

2017-01-01 Thread Richard Eng
I tried that tack. I said Pharo is only 8 years old, but some people come back and tell me that Pharo is still essentially Smalltalk. It's hard for me to disagree. Richard On 1 January 2017 at 11:27, stepharong wrote: > Since people believe that new equals better, we market Pharo as new. > And

Re: [Pharo-users] Thank you and a Happy Pharo Year 2017

2017-01-01 Thread stepharong
Thanks volkert for these kind thoughts. Dear Pharo Community, i would like to thank you for all the work and effort to push Pharo forward. Pharo is getting better and nicer from day to day. It is hard work and the hard work will hopefully never end, because then Pharo is a success ... I

Re: [Pharo-users] Slashdot Submission

2017-01-01 Thread stepharong
Since people believe that new equals better, we market Pharo as new. And Pharo is new and it will continue to improve so this is not even a lie :) There is a reason why we decided to go that road and avoid to always say to people that we use a language designed nearly 40 years ago. But you

Re: [Pharo-users] Slashdot Submission

2017-01-01 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
If stupidity was a power the comment section went nuclear. I lasted a minute reading the comment section , no idea what kind of radio active protection suit you are wearing to allow you the time to reply. But I admire your patience. On Sun, 1 Jan 2017 at 15:22, horrido wrote: > Wow! *In just o

Re: [Pharo-users] Slashdot Submission

2017-01-01 Thread horrido
Wow! *In just one day*, the Slashdot story added another thousand pageviews to my TechBeacon article! However, if you look at the comments, there's an awful lot of disdain for Smalltalk. It appears that Slashdot is inhabited by a lot of ignorant and opinionated programmers. I did not realize this.