Re: [Pharo-users] Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

2014-08-26 Thread Göran Krampe
Hi! On 08/25/2014 05:34 PM, volk...@nivoba.de wrote: Dear all, i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and then restarting the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!

Re: [Pharo-users] Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

2014-08-26 Thread Ben Coman
Alain Rastoul wrote: Hi, No problem for me with Windows 8.1 (64 bits) and Pharo 3, I use it every day. If your computer crashes, I would suspect some hardware related issue, not a vm problem. Did you check in the system event log ? (right click on computer icon in the file explorer, choose

Re: [Pharo-users] Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

2014-08-26 Thread Ben Coman
volk...@nivoba.de wrote: Dear all, i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and then restarting the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes and restarts.

Re: [Pharo-users] Can Pharo meet all your computing needs?

2014-08-26 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Trygve, Thanks to you for sharing DCI. I can't grasp it yet, but the relation with the Dynabook and its intended audience of grown up curious and playful adults are intriguing to me and a place where I can see common interest. Cheers, Offray On 08/26/2014 10:32 AM, Trygve Reenskaug wrote:

Re: [Pharo-users] Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

2014-08-26 Thread Alain Rastoul
Hi, No problem for me with Windows 8.1 (64 bits) and Pharo 3, I use it every day. If your computer crashes, I would suspect some hardware related issue, not a vm problem. Did you check in the system event log ? (right click on computer icon in the file explorer, choose manage then go in sys

Re: [Pharo-users] Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

2014-08-26 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
I would guess the image/vm is doing something IO related. What were you experimenting with ? What did you load ? Does it also happen in a clean image ? On 26 Aug 2014, at 19:24, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > Can you have a look at the PharoDebug.log file? > > Maybe we can find the cause there. >

Re: [Pharo-users] Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

2014-08-26 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Can you have a look at the PharoDebug.log file? Maybe we can find the cause there. Regards, Phil On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 7:01 PM, volk...@nivoba.de wrote: > @Esteban, Phil & Sven: The bad thing is, that it does not happen all the > time, so a better description of is not possible. I will try

Re: [Pharo-users] Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

2014-08-26 Thread volk...@nivoba.de
@Esteban, Phil & Sven: The bad thing is, that it does not happen all the time, so a better description of is not possible. I will try to figure out under which conditions this behavior occurs and hope to give you a better description. If someone found a strange behavior similar to mine, he/she

Re: [Pharo-users] Can Pharo meet all your computing needs?

2014-08-26 Thread Trygve Reenskaug
Hi, Many thanks for your ref [1]. I have skimmed it and find it both well written and interesting. I must read it more carefully as necessary background when I am embarking on the 'new Dynabook' (BOOK) project. My target audience is professionals using computers as an essential part of their w

Re: [Pharo-users] Can Pharo meet all your computing needs?

2014-08-26 Thread Trygve Reenskaug
Hi Wilfred, Smalltalk builds on Simula, Lisp, ++ So yes, there is a strong similarity with Lisp but I hope we can make the programs more readable. Do you mean to use the command shell for running remote objects ('apps')? Well worth trying. A next step could be to run them from DCI role metho

Re: [Pharo-users] Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

2014-08-26 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Windows 8.1 here and zero problems. Now, I am using zeroconf, but that shouldn't be an issue. Phil ​

Re: [Pharo-users] Can Pharo meet all your computing needs?

2014-08-26 Thread Trygve Reenskaug
Yes, yes, yes. BTW: Readable code is the goal of DCI. On 26.08.2014 14:26, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote Open source means nothing if you cannot read the code, do not understand it, cannot change it - easily. Yes!!! This is why just open sourcing a bad idea like an OS (

Re: [Pharo-users] Can Pharo meet all your computing needs?

2014-08-26 Thread kilon alios
Personally I think the direction Moose is going is the right one, with visualising code for understanding its overall structure. I do think however that a system can help a user understand is an AI system, not in the strict sense of the word but a system that can understand user needs and act accor

Re: [Pharo-users] Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

2014-08-26 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
My children have a Windows 8.1 (64-bit) machine, last time I checked Pharo ran fine (actually this video was done in VirtualBox) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKokxrQtrg0 I could check again tonight, but I suspect it will just work. On 25 Aug 2014, at 17:34, volk...@nivoba.de wrote: > De

Re: [Pharo-users] Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

2014-08-26 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Hi, I’m sorry, I never tested pharo on windows 8.1. and the only thing I can promise is that I will create a parallels image next weeks (a couple of them), with 8.1 to test it… Esteban On 25 Aug 2014, at 17:34, volk...@nivoba.de wrote: > Dear all, > > i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under W

Re: [Pharo-users] Can Pharo meet all your computing needs?

2014-08-26 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > Open source means nothing if you cannot read the code, do not understand > it, cannot change it - easily. Yes!!! This is why just open sourcing a bad idea like an OS (see GNU/Linux) doesn't cut it. Even though theoretically you have access to the whole system, you c

Re: [Pharo-users] Can Pharo meet all your computing needs?

2014-08-26 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Trygve Reenskaug wrote > Alan Kay once said something like "an operating system is what the > language designers omitted to include in their language". That's a great one! Dan Ingalls put it this way in Design Principles Behind Smalltalk (http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/smalltalk

Re: [Pharo-users] Can Pharo meet all your computing needs?

2014-08-26 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 26 Aug 2014, at 01:33, Wilfred Hughes wrote: > Sounds like the Dynabook goal rather overlaps with that of Lisp Machines. The > idea of a single system that allows you to modify any part at runtime, > inspect any part, or drop into a debugger anywhere is extremely powerful and > wonderful t

Re: [Pharo-users] Can Pharo meet all your computing needs?

2014-08-26 Thread Trygve Reenskaug
It's very vague; I'm thinking as I write. My off-the-cuff answer: Start from Alan's definition of object orientation: "/... Thus its semantics are a bit like having thousands and thousands of computers all hooked together by a very fast network./" The BOOK consists of its own objects as well

[Pharo-users] DCI

2014-08-26 Thread Trygve Reenskaug
Hi Dan, You made me very happy when you made it to my talk on Thursday. It was impossible for me to present a new paradigm in less than 30 minutes, but I hope I triggered your curiosity. I think your best next step would be to read my article on the DCI Execution model http://fulloo.info/Doc