Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

2013-12-20 Thread kilon alios
A problem I have with pharoLaunher is that I want to help out to improve it but I cant for the life of me figure out the code. I think the most important thing is to document it so it will allow people like me to improve it easier. I dont expect anyone to tell me exactly how each method works but a

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

2013-12-20 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/12/20 Yuriy Tymchuk : > Just of curiosity, do you use iTunes, or organise music in directories by > yourself? :) I moved from file based management (by myself) to services like Spotify/Grooveshark. I skipped the iTunes like music management. -- Esteban.

[Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download

2013-12-20 Thread Andy Burnett
ᐧ That is a good question. I have to admit that I do use iTunes, and I have often been annoyed by not being able to - easily - find the files. I can certainly see the value of presenting end users with simple interfaces, but I am with Johan, I would like to be able to put my images somewhere more

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

2013-12-20 Thread Johan Fabry
Ah, and I *hate* that when I remove music in iTunes that I have to confirm that I want the files to be moved to the trash and not leave them on disc. Trash it already! That's what it means to delete music! I don't want to have a bunch of orphaned files taking up space. On Dec 20, 2013, at 11:

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

2013-12-20 Thread kilon alios
*"in this one, I’m with you… using Library folder is just plain wrong." * I will have to agree too. I would expect the launcher to put them in the same folder as launcher or a folder than user chooses. I am also a big hater of shared libraries and their shared folders. Uninstalling them is a pai

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

2013-12-20 Thread Johan Fabry
After long consideration of the subject, I allow iTunes to organize music because: - it structures things how *I* want them to be structured : Music -> Artists -> Albums -> track name with number. - they are in the right place: the Music directory. Not in Library If iTunes would behave differe

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

2013-12-20 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:40, Johan Fabry wrote: > > Also, I think it is very wrong to keep the images in the Library folder by > default. The Library is "hidden" and a "black magic - do not touch" area for > the common user. A sensible default is the Documents folder. in this one, I’m with you

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

2013-12-20 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
I think we should offer both: launcher for newbies and simple images like now for power users. On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:35, Johan Fabry wrote: > > I am an old-school guy, I just double-click on images to open them. So I > guess that as long as that keeps on working I don't really mind what the

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

2013-12-20 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
On 20 Dec 2013, at 15:04, Yuriy Tymchuk wrote: > Just of curiosity, do you use iTunes, or organise music in directories by > yourself? :) +1 :) > > Uko > > On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:54, Johan Fabry wrote: > >> >> Sure. As I said before, I am old-school and double click on my images. So >> f

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

2013-12-20 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
Just of curiosity, do you use iTunes, or organise music in directories by yourself? :) Uko On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:54, Johan Fabry wrote: > > Sure. As I said before, I am old-school and double click on my images. So for > me they are just documents, like any other, and I use the finder extensi

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

2013-12-20 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/12/20 Johan Fabry : > > Sure. As I said before, I am old-school and double click on my images. So for > me they are just documents, like any other, and I use the finder extensively > for all my document manipulation stuff. I don't want to open a special tool > to do the stuff I can do alrea

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

2013-12-20 Thread Johan Fabry
Sure. As I said before, I am old-school and double click on my images. So for me they are just documents, like any other, and I use the finder extensively for all my document manipulation stuff. I don't want to open a special tool to do the stuff I can do already in the finder. Also having mega

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

2013-12-20 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
Yes, but this depends if you want to show image, changes, etc… file to users or not. For me it’s ok as far as I have enough tools to manipulate images Uko On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:40, Johan Fabry wrote: > > Also, I think it is very wrong to keep the images in the Library folder by > default. Th

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

2013-12-20 Thread Johan Fabry
Also, I think it is very wrong to keep the images in the Library folder by default. The Library is "hidden" and a "black magic - do not touch" area for the common user. A sensible default is the Documents folder. On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Damien Cassou wrote: > Hi guys, > > what do you t

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

2013-12-20 Thread Johan Fabry
I am an old-school guy, I just double-click on images to open them. So I guess that as long as that keeps on working I don't really mind what the default behavior for other cases is. But I do agree that there should be more explanation on how to use the launcher (and some publicity). As is, ho

[Pharo-users] Stupid ideas when I'm bored:

2013-12-20 Thread Nicolai Hess
(EyeMorphViewer new inspect:World) openWithSpec window fullscreen.

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

2013-12-20 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 20 Dec 2013, at 10:44, Damien Cassou wrote: > Hi guys, > > what do you think about setting the PharoLauncher as the default > download for mac os x users? I would start by featuring it more prominently on the download page while explaining clearly what it does. Maybe it also needs its own

[Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

2013-12-20 Thread Damien Cassou
Hi guys, what do you think about setting the PharoLauncher as the default download for mac os x users? If you never tried the launcher, please try it now: Mac OS X: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/pharo-ci/Pharo%203.0.0.dmg Ubunt

Re: [Pharo-users] Roassal3D : MessageNotUnderstood:NBMSAAOffscreenDisplay

2013-12-20 Thread Volkert Barr
Things i have found (Pharo 3.0 (Latest update: #30654), OS X 10.8.5): - MouseWheelEvent-Handling: MessageNotUnderstand: MouseWheelEvent>>keyValue. - KeyBoardControl-Handling does not work - Roassal2D Overlays: Red Screen, needs Athens? (I am not sure what to do here to load Athens). Maybe someon