Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-28 Thread Glyn Astill
> From: Josh Berkus >To: Scott Marlowe >Cc: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org >Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013, 3:14 >Subject: Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu >12.04 > > >> Sounds to me like your IO system is stalling on fs

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-28 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: > On 02/19/2013 07:15 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: >>> ... then you'll see checkpoint "stalls" and spread checkpoint will >>> actually make them worse by making the stalls longer. >> >> Wait, if

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-26 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Jeff Janes wrote: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Scott Marlowe > wrote: >> >> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Josh Berkus wrote: >> > On 02/14/2013 08:47 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: >> >> If you run your benchmarks for more than a few minutes I highly >> >> r

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-26 Thread Jeff Janes
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Scott Marlowe wrote: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Josh Berkus wrote: > > On 02/14/2013 08:47 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: > >> If you run your benchmarks for more than a few minutes I highly > >> recommend enabling sysstat service data collection, then you can

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-25 Thread Jeff Frost
On 02/20/13 19:14, Josh Berkus wrote: >> Sounds to me like your IO system is stalling on fsyncs or something >> like that. On machines with plenty of IO cranking up completion >> target usuall smooths things out. > It certainly seems like it does. However, I can't demonstrate the issue > using a

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-20 Thread Josh Berkus
> Sounds to me like your IO system is stalling on fsyncs or something > like that. On machines with plenty of IO cranking up completion > target usuall smooths things out. It certainly seems like it does. However, I can't demonstrate the issue using any simpler tool than pgbench ... even runni

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-20 Thread Josh Berkus
On 02/19/2013 07:15 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: >> ... then you'll see checkpoint "stalls" and spread checkpoint will >> actually make them worse by making the stalls longer. > > Wait, if they're spread enough then there won't be a checkpoint, so

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-19 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: > ... then you'll see checkpoint "stalls" and spread checkpoint will > actually make them worse by making the stalls longer. Wait, if they're spread enough then there won't be a checkpoint, so to speak. Are you saying that spreading them out me

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-19 Thread Mark Kirkwood
On 20/02/13 12:24, Josh Berkus wrote: NM, I tested lowering dirty_background_ratio, and it didn't help, because checkpoints are kicking in before pdflush ever gets there. So the issue seems to be that if you have this combination of factors: 1. large RAM 2. many/fast CPUs 3. a database which f

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-19 Thread Josh Berkus
On 02/19/2013 09:51 AM, Josh Berkus wrote: > On 02/18/2013 08:28 PM, Mark Kirkwood wrote: >> Might be worth looking at your vm.dirty_ratio, vm.dirty_background_ratio >> and friends settings. We managed to choke up a system with 16x SSD by >> leaving them at their defaults... > > Yeah? Any setting

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-19 Thread Mark Kirkwood
On 20/02/13 06:51, Josh Berkus wrote: On 02/18/2013 08:28 PM, Mark Kirkwood wrote: Might be worth looking at your vm.dirty_ratio, vm.dirty_background_ratio and friends settings. We managed to choke up a system with 16x SSD by leaving them at their defaults... Yeah? Any settings you'd recommend

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-19 Thread Josh Berkus
On 02/18/2013 08:28 PM, Mark Kirkwood wrote: > Might be worth looking at your vm.dirty_ratio, vm.dirty_background_ratio > and friends settings. We managed to choke up a system with 16x SSD by > leaving them at their defaults... Yeah? Any settings you'd recommend specifically? What did you use on

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-18 Thread Mark Kirkwood
On 19/02/13 13:39, Josh Berkus wrote: Scott, So do you have generally slow IO, or is it fsync behavior etc? All tests except pgBench show this system as superfast. Bonnie++ and DD tests are good (200 to 300mb/s), and test_fsync shows 14K/second. Basically it has no issues until checkpoint kic

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-18 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: > Scott, > >> So do you have generally slow IO, or is it fsync behavior etc? > > All tests except pgBench show this system as superfast. Bonnie++ and DD > tests are good (200 to 300mb/s), and test_fsync shows 14K/second. > Basically it has no is

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-18 Thread Josh Berkus
> Did you try turning barriers on or off *manually* (explicitly)? With > LSI and barriers *on* and ext4 I had less-optimal performance. With > Linux MD or (some) 3Ware configurations I had no performance hit. They're off in fstab. /dev/sdd1 on /data type xfs (rw,noatime,nodiratime,nobarrier) -

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-18 Thread Jon Nelson
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: > Scott, > >> So do you have generally slow IO, or is it fsync behavior etc? > > All tests except pgBench show this system as superfast. Bonnie++ and DD > tests are good (200 to 300mb/s), and test_fsync shows 14K/second. > Basically it has no is

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-18 Thread Josh Berkus
Scott, > So do you have generally slow IO, or is it fsync behavior etc? All tests except pgBench show this system as superfast. Bonnie++ and DD tests are good (200 to 300mb/s), and test_fsync shows 14K/second. Basically it has no issues until checkpoint kicks in, at which time the entire system

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-18 Thread Josh Berkus
So, our drop in performance is now clearly due to pathological OS behavior during checkpoints. Still trying to pin down what's going on, but it's not system load; it's clearly related to the IO system. Anyone else see this? I'm getting it both on 3.2 and 3.4. We're using LSI Megaraid. -- Jos

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-15 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Josh Berkus wrote: > On 02/14/2013 08:47 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: >> If you run your benchmarks for more than a few minutes I highly >> recommend enabling sysstat service data collection, then you can look >> at it after the fact with sar. VERY useful stuff both

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-15 Thread Josh Berkus
On 02/14/2013 08:47 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: > If you run your benchmarks for more than a few minutes I highly > recommend enabling sysstat service data collection, then you can look > at it after the fact with sar. VERY useful stuff both for > benchmarking and post mortem on live servers. Well,

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-14 Thread Scott Marlowe
pgsql-performance-ow...@postgresql.org > [mailto:pgsql-performance-ow...@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Josh Berkus > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:58 PM > To: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to > Ubuntu 12.04 &

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-14 Thread Dan Kogan
...@postgresql.org [mailto:pgsql-performance-ow...@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Josh Berkus Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:58 PM To: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04 On 02/14/2013 12:41 PM, Dan Kogan wrote: > We u

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-14 Thread Josh Berkus
On 02/14/2013 12:41 PM, Dan Kogan wrote: > We used scale factor of 3600. > Yeah, maybe other people see similar load average, we were not sure. > However, we saw a clear difference right after the upgrade. > We are trying to determine whether it makes sense for us to go to 11.04 or > maybe the

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-14 Thread Dan Kogan
. -Original Message- From: pgsql-performance-ow...@postgresql.org [mailto:pgsql-performance-ow...@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Josh Berkus Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:38 PM To: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-14 Thread Josh Berkus
On 02/13/2013 05:30 PM, Dan Kogan wrote: > Just to be clear - I was describing the current situation in our production. > > We were running pgbench on different Ununtu versions today. I don’t have > 12.04 setup at the moment, but I do have 12.10, which seems to be performing > about the same as

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-14 Thread Dan Kogan
, 2013 9:08 AM To: Dan Kogan Cc: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04 On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Dan Kogan wrote: > Hello, > > > > We upgraded from Ubuntu 11.04 to Ubuntu 12.04 and almost immediate

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-14 Thread Merlin Moncure
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Dan Kogan wrote: > Hello, > > > > We upgraded from Ubuntu 11.04 to Ubuntu 12.04 and almost immediately > obeserved increased CPU usage and significantly higher load average on our > database server. > > At the time we were on Postgres 9.0.5. We decided to upgrade

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-13 Thread Dan Kogan
Of Josh Berkus Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 7:26 PM To: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04 On 02/13/2013 11:24 AM, Josh Berkus wrote: > On 02/12/2013 05:28 PM, Dan Kogan wrote: >> Hi Will, >>

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-13 Thread Josh Berkus
On 02/13/2013 11:24 AM, Josh Berkus wrote: > On 02/12/2013 05:28 PM, Dan Kogan wrote: >> Hi Will, >> >> Yes, I think we've seen some discussions on that. Our servers our hosted on >> Amazon Ec2 and upgrading the kernel does not seem so straight forward. >> We did a benchmark using pgbench on 3.5

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-13 Thread Josh Berkus
On 02/12/2013 05:28 PM, Dan Kogan wrote: > Hi Will, > > Yes, I think we've seen some discussions on that. Our servers our hosted on > Amazon Ec2 and upgrading the kernel does not seem so straight forward. > We did a benchmark using pgbench on 3.5 vs 3.2 and saw an improvement. > Unfortunately

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-12 Thread Dan Kogan
y 12, 2013 5:20 PM To: Dan Kogan; pgsql-performance@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04 Hey Dan, If I recall correctly there were some discussions on here related to performance issues with the 3.2 kernel. I'm away at the mome

Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-12 Thread Dan Kogan
(or even tried) with the 9.0 jdbc driver against 9.2 server? Dan From: Eric Haertel [mailto:eric.haer...@groupon.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 12:52 PM To: Dan Kogan Cc: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [PERFORM] High CPU usage / load average after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04