Re: [PERFORM] Performance advice for a new low(er)-power server

2011-06-17 Thread Merlin Moncure
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Merlin Moncure wrote: > it's complex -- but I think the whole issue becomes moot soon because > non consumer flash drives from here on out are going to have > capacitors in them (the 720 ramsdale will immediately knock out the > x25-e). So the prudent course of act

Re: [PERFORM] Performance advice for a new low(er)-power server

2011-06-17 Thread jesper
> On Jun 16, 2011, at 20:43, Greg Smith wrote: >> The layout you proposed (OS+WAL , data) might be effective, but if your >> write volume is low it may not be much of an improvement at all over a >> simple RAID1 of two drives. The odds that you are going to correctly >> lay out individual section

Re: [PERFORM] Performance advice for a new low(er)-power server

2011-06-17 Thread Haestan
On Jun 16, 2011, at 20:43, Greg Smith wrote: > The layout you proposed (OS+WAL , data) might be effective, but if your write > volume is low it may not be much of an improvement at all over a simple RAID1 > of two drives. The odds that you are going to correctly lay out individual > sections o

Re: [PERFORM] Performance advice for a new low(er)-power server

2011-06-17 Thread Haestan
On Jun 16, 2011, at 20:29, Jesper Krogh wrote: > On 2011-06-16 17:09, Haestan wrote: >> I am evaluating hardware for a new PostgreSQL server. For reasons >> concerning power consumption and available space it should not have >> more than 4 disks (in a 1U case), if possible. Now, I am not sure wha

Re: [PERFORM] Performance advice for a new low(er)-power server

2011-06-16 Thread Merlin Moncure
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Greg Smith wrote: > On 06/16/2011 03:04 PM, Merlin Moncure wrote: >> >> I don't necessarily agree. the drives are SLC and have the potential >> to have a much longer lifespan than any MLC drive, although this is >> going to depend a lot on the raid controller if wr

Re: [PERFORM] Performance advice for a new low(er)-power server

2011-06-16 Thread Greg Smith
On 06/16/2011 03:04 PM, Merlin Moncure wrote: I don't necessarily agree. the drives are SLC and have the potential to have a much longer lifespan than any MLC drive, although this is going to depend a lot on the raid controller if write caching is disabled. Also, reading the post that got all th

Re: [PERFORM] Performance advice for a new low(er)-power server

2011-06-16 Thread Merlin Moncure
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Greg Smith wrote: > These drives are one of the worst choices on the market for PostgreSQL > storage.  They're unusably slow if you disable the caches, and even that > isn't guaranteed to work.  There is no way to make them safe.  See > http://wiki.postgresql.org/w

Re: [PERFORM] Performance advice for a new low(er)-power server

2011-06-16 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Greg Smith wrote: > There are already three layers involved here: > > -Database shared_buffers cache > -Operating system read/write cache > -RAID controller cache > > I would be skeptical that adding a fourth one near the bottom of this stack > is likely to help a

Re: [PERFORM] Performance advice for a new low(er)-power server

2011-06-16 Thread Greg Smith
On 06/16/2011 11:09 AM, Haestan wrote: The cheaper option would be to buy 15k Seagate SAS disks with a 3ware 9750SA (battery backed) controller. Does it matter whether to use a 4-disk RAID10 or 2x 2-disk RAID1 (system+pg_xlog , pg_data) setup? Am I right that both would be faster than just using

Re: [PERFORM] Performance advice for a new low(er)-power server

2011-06-16 Thread Jesper Krogh
On 2011-06-16 17:09, Haestan wrote: I am evaluating hardware for a new PostgreSQL server. For reasons concerning power consumption and available space it should not have more than 4 disks (in a 1U case), if possible. Now, I am not sure what disks to use and how to layout them to get the best perf

Re: [PERFORM] Performance advice for a new low(er)-power server

2011-06-16 Thread Merlin Moncure
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Haestan wrote: > Hi, > > I am evaluating hardware for a new PostgreSQL server. For reasons > concerning power consumption and available space it should not have > more than 4 disks (in a 1U case), if possible. Now, I am not sure what > disks to use and how to layo

[PERFORM] Performance advice for a new low(er)-power server

2011-06-16 Thread Haestan
Hi, I am evaluating hardware for a new PostgreSQL server. For reasons concerning power consumption and available space it should not have more than 4 disks (in a 1U case), if possible. Now, I am not sure what disks to use and how to layout them to get the best performance. The cheaper option woul