Re: [PERFORM] On Linux Filesystems

2003-08-15 Thread Toni Schlichting
Christopher, I appreciate your comments. At the end it goes down to personal experience with one or the other file system. From that I can tell, that I have made good experience with UFS, EXT2, and XFS. I made catastrophic ex- perience with ReiserFS (not during operation but you are a looser when

Re: [PERFORM] On Linux Filesystems

2003-08-14 Thread Bruce Momjian
Here is one talking about ext2 corruption from power failure from 2002: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=ext2+corrupt+%22power+failure%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=alvrj5%249in%241%40usc.edu&rnum=9 --- pgman wrote: > >

Re: [PERFORM] On Linux Filesystems

2003-08-14 Thread Josh Berkus
People: > On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 10:58:18PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > > 1. Nobody has gone through any formal proofs, and there are few > > systems _anywhere_ that are 100% reliable. > > I think the problem is that ext2 is known to be not perfectly crash > safe. That is, fsck on reboot

Re: [PERFORM] On Linux Filesystems

2003-08-14 Thread scott.marlowe
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 10:58:18PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > > 1. Nobody has gone through any formal proofs, and there are few > > systems _anywhere_ that are 100% reliable. > > I think the problem is that ext2 is known to be not perfectly

Re: [PERFORM] On Linux Filesystems

2003-08-14 Thread Bruce Momjian
As I remember, there were clear cases that ext2 would fail to recover, and it was known to be a limitation of the file system implementation. Some of the ext2 developers were in the room at Red Hat when I said that, so if it was incorrect, they would hopefully have spoken up. I addressed the com

Re: [PERFORM] On Linux Filesystems

2003-08-14 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 09:36:21AM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > So it's a tradeoff with loss of performance vs. recovery time. In > a server room with redundant backup power supplies, "clean room" > security and fail-over services, I can certainly imagine that data > journalling would not be neede

Re: [PERFORM] On Linux Filesystems

2003-08-14 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 10:58:18PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > 1. Nobody has gone through any formal proofs, and there are few > systems _anywhere_ that are 100% reliable. I think the problem is that ext2 is known to be not perfectly crash safe. That is, fsck on reboot after a crash can

[PERFORM] On Linux Filesystems

2003-08-14 Thread Christopher Browne
Bruce Momjian commented: "Uh, the ext2 developers say it isn't 100% reliable" ... "I mentioned it while I was visiting Red Hat, and they didn't refute it." 1. Nobody has gone through any formal proofs, and there are few systems _anywhere_ that are 100% reliable. NASA has occasionally lost spa