Re: [PERFORM] How to allocate 8 disks

2008-03-04 Thread Shane Ambler
Ivan Voras wrote: Joshua D. Drake wrote: This scares me... You lose WAL you are a goner. Combine your OS and WAL into a RAID 1. Can someone elaborate on this? From the WAL concept and documentation at http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/interactive/wal-intro.html I'd say the only data that sho

Re: [PERFORM] How to allocate 8 disks

2008-03-04 Thread Ivan Voras
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > This scares me... You lose WAL you are a goner. Combine your OS and > WAL into a RAID 1. Can someone elaborate on this? From the WAL concept and documentation at http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/interactive/wal-intro.html I'd say the only data that should be lost are th

Re: [PERFORM] How to allocate 8 disks

2008-03-03 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Mark Mielke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matthew wrote: > > On Sat, 1 Mar 2008, Craig James wrote: > >> Right, I do understand that, but reliability is not a top priority in > >> this system. The database will be replicated, and can be reproduced > >> from the r

Re: [PERFORM] How to allocate 8 disks

2008-03-03 Thread Mark Mielke
Matthew wrote: On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Mark Mielke wrote: Has anybody been able to prove to themselves that RAID 0 vs RAID 1+0 is faster for these sorts of loads? My understanding is that RAID 1+0 *can* reduce latency for reads, but that it relies on random access, whereas RAID 0 performs best for

Re: [PERFORM] How to allocate 8 disks

2008-03-03 Thread Matthew
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Mark Mielke wrote: Has anybody been able to prove to themselves that RAID 0 vs RAID 1+0 is faster for these sorts of loads? My understanding is that RAID 1+0 *can* reduce latency for reads, but that it relies on random access, whereas RAID 0 performs best for sequential scan

Re: [PERFORM] How to allocate 8 disks

2008-03-03 Thread Craig James
Matthew wrote: On Sat, 1 Mar 2008, Craig James wrote: Right, I do understand that, but reliability is not a top priority in this system. The database will be replicated, and can be reproduced from the raw data. So what you're saying is: 1. Reliability is not important. 2. There's zero write

Re: [PERFORM] How to allocate 8 disks

2008-03-03 Thread Mark Mielke
Matthew wrote: On Sat, 1 Mar 2008, Craig James wrote: Right, I do understand that, but reliability is not a top priority in this system. The database will be replicated, and can be reproduced from the raw data. So what you're saying is: 1. Reliability is not important. 2. There's zero write

Re: [PERFORM] How to allocate 8 disks

2008-03-03 Thread Matthew
On Sat, 1 Mar 2008, Craig James wrote: Right, I do understand that, but reliability is not a top priority in this system. The database will be replicated, and can be reproduced from the raw data. So what you're saying is: 1. Reliability is not important. 2. There's zero write traffic once th

Re: [PERFORM] How to allocate 8 disks

2008-03-01 Thread Greg Smith
On Sat, 1 Mar 2008, Craig James wrote: So my question still stands: From a strictly performance point of view, would it be better to separate the OS and the WAL onto two disks? You're not getting a more useful answer here because you haven't mentioned yet a) what the disk controller is or b)

Re: [PERFORM] How to allocate 8 disks

2008-03-01 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Craig James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:06:54 -0800 > > Craig James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> We're upgrading to a medium-sized server, a Dell PowerEdge 2950, > >> dual-quad CPU's and 8 GB memory. Thi

Re: [PERFORM] How to allocate 8 disks

2008-03-01 Thread Craig James
Joshua D. Drake wrote: On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:06:54 -0800 Craig James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We're upgrading to a medium-sized server, a Dell PowerEdge 2950, dual-quad CPU's and 8 GB memory. This box can hold at most 8 disks (10K SCSI 2.5" 146 GB drives) and has Dell's Perc 6/i RAID contro

Re: [PERFORM] How to allocate 8 disks

2008-03-01 Thread Joshua D. Drake
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:06:54 -0800 Craig James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We're upgrading to a medium-sized server, a Dell PowerEdge 2950, > dual-quad CPU's and 8 GB memory. This box can hold at most 8 disks > (10K SCSI 2.5" 146 GB drives) and has

Re: [PERFORM] How to allocate 8 disks

2008-03-01 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Craig James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We're upgrading to a medium-sized server, a Dell PowerEdge 2950, dual-quad > CPU's and 8 GB memory. This box can hold at most 8 disks (10K SCSI 2.5" 146 > GB drives) and has Dell's Perc 6/i RAID controller. > > I'm thinki

[PERFORM] How to allocate 8 disks

2008-03-01 Thread Craig James
We're upgrading to a medium-sized server, a Dell PowerEdge 2950, dual-quad CPU's and 8 GB memory. This box can hold at most 8 disks (10K SCSI 2.5" 146 GB drives) and has Dell's Perc 6/i RAID controller. I'm thinking of this: 6 disks RAID 1+0 Postgres data 1 disk WAL 1 disk Linux I'v