Re: [PERFORM] Contemplating SSD Hardware RAID

2011-06-22 Thread Shaun Thomas
On 06/21/2011 05:17 PM, Greg Smith wrote: If they just do the same style of write cache and reliability rework to the enterprise line, but using better flash, I agree that the first really serious yet affordable product for the database market may finally come out of that. After we started our

Re: [PERFORM] Contemplating SSD Hardware RAID

2011-06-21 Thread Greg Smith
On 06/21/2011 05:35 PM, Merlin Moncure wrote: On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Yeb Havinga wrote: It's too bad however that OCZ doesn't let the user choose which firmware to run (the tool always picks the newest), so after every

Re: [PERFORM] Contemplating SSD Hardware RAID

2011-06-21 Thread Merlin Moncure
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Yeb Havinga wrote: > >> strange values mean. It's too bad however that OCZ doesn't let the user >> choose which firmware to run (the tool always picks the newest), so after >> every upgrade it'll be a surpris

Re: [PERFORM] Contemplating SSD Hardware RAID

2011-06-21 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Yeb Havinga wrote: > strange values mean. It's too bad however that OCZ doesn't let the user > choose which firmware to run (the tool always picks the newest), so after > every upgrade it'll be a surprise what values are supported or if any of the That right ther

Re: [PERFORM] Contemplating SSD Hardware RAID

2011-06-21 Thread Yeb Havinga
On 2011-06-21 22:10, Yeb Havinga wrote: There's some info burried in http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-performance/2011-03/msg00350.php where two Vertex 2 pro's are compared; the first has been really hammered with pgbench, the second had a few months duty in a workstation. The raw value

Re: [PERFORM] Contemplating SSD Hardware RAID

2011-06-21 Thread Yeb Havinga
On 2011-06-21 17:11, Greg Smith wrote: On 06/21/2011 07:19 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: 3ware controllers offer SMART pass-through, and smartctl supports it. I'm sure there's something similar for Areca controllers. Depends on the model, drives, and how you access the management interface. For

Re: [PERFORM] Contemplating SSD Hardware RAID

2011-06-21 Thread Anton Rommerskirchen
Am Dienstag, 21. Juni 2011 05:54:26 schrieb Dan Harris: > I'm looking for advice from the I/O gurus who have been in the SSD game > for a while now. > > I understand that the majority of consumer grade SSD drives lack the > required capacitor to complete a write on a sudden power loss. But, > what

Re: [PERFORM] Contemplating SSD Hardware RAID

2011-06-21 Thread Greg Smith
On 06/21/2011 07:19 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: 3ware controllers offer SMART pass-through, and smartctl supports it. I'm sure there's something similar for Areca controllers. Depends on the model, drives, and how you access the management interface. For both manufacturers actually. Check

Re: [PERFORM] Contemplating SSD Hardware RAID

2011-06-21 Thread Florian Weimer
* Yeb Havinga: > I forgot to mention that with an SSD it's important to watch the > remaining lifetime. These values can be read with smartctl. When > putting the disk behind a hardware raid controller, you might not be > able to read them from the OS, and the hardware RAID firmware might be > to

Re: [PERFORM] Contemplating SSD Hardware RAID

2011-06-21 Thread Yeb Havinga
On 2011-06-21 09:51, Yeb Havinga wrote: On 2011-06-21 08:33, Greg Smith wrote: On 06/20/2011 11:54 PM, Dan Harris wrote: I'm exploring the combination of an Areca 1880ix-12 controller with 6x OCZ Vertex 3 V3LT-25SAT3 2.5" 240GB SATA III drives in RAID-10. Has anyone tried this combination?

Re: [PERFORM] Contemplating SSD Hardware RAID

2011-06-21 Thread Yeb Havinga
On 2011-06-21 08:33, Greg Smith wrote: On 06/20/2011 11:54 PM, Dan Harris wrote: I'm exploring the combination of an Areca 1880ix-12 controller with 6x OCZ Vertex 3 V3LT-25SAT3 2.5" 240GB SATA III drives in RAID-10. Has anyone tried this combination? What nasty surprise am I overlooking her

Re: [PERFORM] Contemplating SSD Hardware RAID

2011-06-20 Thread Greg Smith
On 06/20/2011 11:54 PM, Dan Harris wrote: I understand that the majority of consumer grade SSD drives lack the required capacitor to complete a write on a sudden power loss. But, what about pairing up with a hardware controller with BBU write cache? Can the write cache be disabled at the driv

[PERFORM] Contemplating SSD Hardware RAID

2011-06-20 Thread Dan Harris
I'm looking for advice from the I/O gurus who have been in the SSD game for a while now. I understand that the majority of consumer grade SSD drives lack the required capacitor to complete a write on a sudden power loss. But, what about pairing up with a hardware controller with BBU write cac