Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased company

2005-05-04 Thread Bruce Momjian
Rosser Schwarz wrote: > while you weren't looking, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > Adjustments? > > A couple slight tweaks and rephrasings: > > If you're looking for a PostgreSQL gatekeeper, central committe or > controlling company, give up; there isn't one. We do have a core > committe and don't ha

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased company

2005-05-04 Thread Bruce Momjian
Dave Held wrote: > > developers and users of PostgreSQL. Everyone is welcome to > > subscribe and take part in the discussions. (See the > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ_DEV.html";> > > Developer's FAQ for information on how to get > > involved in PostgreSQL develo

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased company

2005-05-03 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Dave Held wrote: -Original Message- From: Andrew Dunstan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 7:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Dave Held; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased company

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased company involvement

2005-05-03 Thread Dave Held
> -Original Message- > From: Andrew Dunstan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 7:05 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Dave Held; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS:

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased company involvement

2005-05-02 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Robert Treat said: >> * Engage the community by participating in discussions and patch >> reviews - your credibility as a contributor depends on your >> willingness to contribute to the community in non-coding >> ways as well > > Actually I think Bruces blurb is good for the general FA

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased company involvement

2005-05-02 Thread Robert Treat
On Monday 02 May 2005 17:32, Dave Held wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 3:33 PM > > To: Dave Held > > Cc: PostgreSQL advocacy; PostgreSQL-development > > Subject: Re: [pgsql-

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased company involvement

2005-05-02 Thread Dave Held
> -Original Message- > From: Tom Lane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 1:50 PM > To: josh@agliodbs.com > Cc: Bruce Momjian; Marc G. Fournier; PostgreSQL advocacy; Dave Held; > PostgreSQL-development > Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS]

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased company involvement

2005-05-02 Thread Dave Held
> -Original Message- > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 3:33 PM > To: Dave Held > Cc: PostgreSQL advocacy; PostgreSQL-development > Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: > Increased > company invol

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased company

2005-05-02 Thread Rosser Schwarz
while you weren't looking, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Adjustments? A couple slight tweaks and rephrasings: If you're looking for a PostgreSQL gatekeeper, central committe or controlling company, give up; there isn't one. We do have a core committe and don't hand out CVS commit privileges like candy,

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased company

2005-05-02 Thread Rosser Schwarz
while you weren't looking, I wrote: [...] Gah. s/committe/committee/ /rls -- :wq ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased company

2005-05-02 Thread Bruce Momjian
Dave Held wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Josh Berkus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 1:21 PM > > To: Bruce Momjian > > Cc: Marc G. Fournier; PostgreSQL advocacy; Dave Held; > > PostgreSQL-development > > Subjec

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased company

2005-05-02 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tom Lane wrote: > Josh Berkus writes: > > As you've already observed, if Tom doesn't like something it's very > > unlikely > > to get through. > > I lose my share of arguments --- in fact, in the twenty minutes since > your posting I already notice Bruce committing a patch I had objected to > ;

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased company involvement

2005-05-02 Thread Robert Treat
On Monday 02 May 2005 14:49, Josh Berkus wrote: > Bruce, > > > > (P.S. on a complete tangent, "call a spade a spade" is actually a > > > racist expression originating in the reconstruction-era South.   > > > "spade" does > > > > You must be from California.  :-) > > Well, yes. Actually, from San

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased company

2005-05-02 Thread Bruce Momjian
Josh Berkus wrote: > Dave, > > > Well, I never said that core runs around saving the world. I > > mostly made the point that core developers have special > > influence, > > Yep. Absolutely. I wanted to point out to you that core isn't the only > group within PostgreSQL that has special infl

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased company involvement

2005-05-02 Thread Josh Berkus
Dave, > Well, I never said that core runs around saving the world. I > mostly made the point that core developers have special > influence, Yep. Absolutely. I wanted to point out to you that core isn't the only group within PostgreSQL that has special influence. > Which is also something t

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased company

2005-05-02 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Dave Held wrote: [...] (P.S. on a complete tangent, "call a spade a spade" is actually a racist expression originating in the reconstruction-era South. "spade" does not mean garden tool but is a derogatory slang term for black people. [...] Interesting. Duly noted. It would be interesti

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased company involvement

2005-05-02 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus writes: > As you've already observed, if Tom doesn't like something it's very unlikely > to get through. I lose my share of arguments --- in fact, in the twenty minutes since your posting I already notice Bruce committing a patch I had objected to ;-). Our process is not "democratic

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased company involvement

2005-05-02 Thread Josh Berkus
Bruce, > > (P.S. on a complete tangent, "call a spade a spade" is actually a racist > > expression originating in the reconstruction-era South.   "spade" does > > You must be from California.  :-) Well, yes. Actually, from San Francisco, which is even worse.And I just spent the weekend in

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased company involvement

2005-05-02 Thread Dave Held
> -Original Message- > From: Josh Berkus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 1:21 PM > To: Bruce Momjian > Cc: Marc G. Fournier; PostgreSQL advocacy; Dave Held; > PostgreSQL-development > Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Proc

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased

2005-05-02 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 2 May 2005, Josh Berkus wrote: As you've already observed, if Tom doesn't like something it's very unlikely to get through. One thing to note on this one ... I've never seen Tom *not* try and help the submitter to get the code up to spec either ... he's always bent over backwards to try a

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased

2005-05-02 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Mon, 2 May 2005, Josh Berkus wrote: As you've already observed, if Tom doesn't like something it's very unlikely to get through. One thing to note on this one ... I've never seen Tom *not* try and help the submitter to get the code up to spec either ... he's always ben

Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [HACKERS] Decision Process WAS: Increased company involvement

2005-05-02 Thread Josh Berkus
Dave, > The group has moderators, but they exist only > to moderate discussion on the mailing lists.  I'm not saying that > it is bad that Postgres is not democratic.  Postgres is a totally > different kind of beast than Boost, and probably benefits from > having a few people ultimately decide its