Re: [HACKERS] Release notes introductory text

2007-10-18 Thread Kevin Grittner
>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 12:34 AM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This release represents a major leap forward for PostgreSQL by adding > significant new functionality and performance enhancements. This was > made possible by a growing community that

Re: [HACKERS] Release notes introductory text

2007-10-17 Thread Bruce Momjian
D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: > On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:34:14 -0400 (EDT) > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Kevin Grittner wrote: > > > > PostgreSQL. Many complex ideas that normally take years > > > > to implement were added rapidly to this release by our development team. > > > > > > You

Re: [HACKERS] Release notes introductory text

2007-10-16 Thread rm_rs
Kevin Grittner wrote: How exactly do you expect the software to get from a .0 to a .1 release, or to have addressed the bugs that might bite you when it does get to .1, if you aren't helping to test it? In most environments I've seen, developer and QA systems don't hesitate to move to .0

Re: [HACKERS] Release notes introductory text

2007-10-15 Thread Kevin Grittner
>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 12:37 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ron Mayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tom Lane wrote: >> "Joshua D. Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> With respect to you Kevin, your managers should wait. You don't >>> install .0 releases of "any" software into productio

Re: [HACKERS] Release notes introductory text

2007-10-12 Thread Ron Mayer
Tom Lane wrote: > "Joshua D. Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> With respect to you Kevin, your managers should wait. You don't >> install .0 releases of "any" software into production without "months" >> of testing. At which point, normally a .1 release has come out anyway. > > How exactly do

Re: [HACKERS] Release notes introductory text

2007-10-12 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 07:51:13AM +0100, Simon Riggs wrote: > On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 17:46 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Kevin Grittner wrote: > > >> If the goal is to provide fair warning of a high-than-usual-risk > > >> release, you've got it covered.

Re: [HACKERS] Release notes introductory text

2007-10-11 Thread Simon Riggs
On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 17:46 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Kevin Grittner wrote: > >> If the goal is to provide fair warning of a high-than-usual-risk > >> release, you've got it covered. > > > No, that was not the intent. The indent was to say we got a lot

Re: [HACKERS] Release notes introductory text

2007-10-11 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:31:20 -0400 Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Joshua D. Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > With respect to you Kevin, your managers should wait. You don't > > Now I realize that you did say "test" above, but way too often I see > this sort of argument as a justifi

Re: [HACKERS] Release notes introductory text

2007-10-11 Thread Tom Lane
"Joshua D. Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > With respect to you Kevin, your managers should wait. You don't > install .0 releases of "any" software into production without "months" > of testing. At which point, normally a .1 release has come out anyway. How exactly do you expect the software t

Re: [HACKERS] Release notes introductory text

2007-10-11 Thread Michael Glaesemann
On Oct 11, 2007, at 18:51 , Joshua D. Drake wrote: With respect to you Kevin, your managers should wait. You don't install .0 releases of "any" software into production without "months" of testing. At which point, normally a .1 release has come out anyway. At the same time, an open source pro

Re: [HACKERS] Release notes introductory text

2007-10-11 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:26:43 -0500 "Kevin Grittner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This release represents a major leap forward by adding significant > > new functionality and performance enhancements to > > PostgreSQL. Many complex ideas that normally take > > years to implement were added rapidl

Re: [HACKERS] Release notes introductory text

2007-10-11 Thread Kevin Grittner
>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 3:34 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The indent was to say we got a lot done in > one year. You have a suggestion? My suggestion would be to stay away from statements about the speed of development and focus on the user

Re: [HACKERS] Release notes introductory text

2007-10-11 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Kevin Grittner wrote: >> If the goal is to provide fair warning of a high-than-usual-risk >> release, you've got it covered. > No, that was not the intent. The indent was to say we got a lot done in > one year. You have a suggestion? Yeah: take the ent

Re: [HACKERS] Release notes introductory text

2007-10-11 Thread Andrew Hammond
On 10/11/07, Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Kevin Grittner wrote: > > >>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 3:04 PM, in message > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > This release represents a major leap forward by adding significant new > > > functionali

Re: [HACKERS] Release notes introductory text

2007-10-11 Thread Neil Conway
On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 16:04 -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > I have added the following introductory paragraph to the release notes: > > This release represents a major leap forward by adding significant new > functionality and performance enhancements to > PostgreSQL. Many complex

Re: [HACKERS] Release notes introductory text

2007-10-11 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kevin Grittner wrote: > > > PostgreSQL. Many complex ideas that normally take years > > > to implement were added rapidly to this release by our development team. > > > > You do realize that this will make many ma

Re: [HACKERS] Release notes introductory text

2007-10-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
Kevin Grittner wrote: > >>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 3:04 PM, in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This release represents a major leap forward by adding significant new > > functionality and performance enhancements to > > PostgreSQL. Many complex idea

Re: [HACKERS] Release notes introductory text

2007-10-11 Thread Kevin Grittner
>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 3:04 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This release represents a major leap forward by adding significant new > functionality and performance enhancements to > PostgreSQL. Many complex ideas that normally take years > to im

[HACKERS] Release notes introductory text

2007-10-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
[ BCC to docs and hackers. Sorry this seems like the only logical way to do this.] I have added the following introductory paragraph to the release notes: This release represents a major leap forward by adding significant new functionality and performance enhancements to