On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Andrew Borodin wrote:
> Hi, Kang and everyone in this thread.
>
> I'm planning to present the online course "Hacking PostgreSQL: data
> access methods in action and under the hood" on edX on June 1st. It's
> not announced yet, links will be available later.
> This
Hi, Kang and everyone in this thread.
I'm planning to present the online course "Hacking PostgreSQL: data
access methods in action and under the hood" on edX on June 1st. It's
not announced yet, links will be available later.
This course I'm describing information that was crucial for me to
start
On 28 Apr. 2017 17:04, "Kang Yuzhe" wrote:
Hello Simon,
The journey that caused and is causing me a lot of pain is finding my way
in PG development.
Complex Code Reading like PG. Fully understanding the science of DBMS
Engines: Query Processing, Storage stuff, Transaction Management and so
on...
Hello Simon,
The journey that caused and is causing me a lot of pain is finding my way
in PG development.
Complex Code Reading like PG. Fully understanding the science of DBMS
Engines: Query Processing, Storage stuff, Transaction Management and so
on...
Anyway as you said, the rough estimation tow
On 04/18/2017 03:54 AM, Craig Ringer wrote:
>> But almost nothing about The Internals of PostgreSQL:
> Not surprising. They'd go out of date fast, be a huge effort to write
> and maintain, and sell poorly given the small audience.
>
> Print books probably aren't the way forward here.
>
Agreed,
On 04/18/2017 03:41 AM, Kang Yuzhe wrote:
>
>
> But almost nothing about The Internals of PostgreSQL:
> 1. The Internals of PostgreSQL:
> http://www.interdb.jp/pg/index.html translated from Japanese Book
> 2. PostgreSQL数据库内核分析(Chinese) Book on the Internals of PostgreSQL:
> 3. PG Docs/site
> 4.
Hello Amit,
Thanks gain for being patient with me.
YES, I am working with the PostgreSQL source git repository but I don't
think I updated my local forked/cloned branch. I am also working on
standalone PG 9.6.2 source code as well.
I will try to fetch/pull the PG master content to my forked/cloned
Thanks Craig for teaching me a lot of things. I am just learning a lot why
PG hacking/development is the way it is.
Regarding interest and enthusiasm, no problem. Whats is lacking is the
skill-sets and I believe having interest and enthusiasm and with your
support, we will expand PG hacking/devs/u
Hi,
On 2017/04/18 16:54, Kang Yuzhe wrote:
> Thanks Amit for taking your time and pointing to some useful stuff on the
> Internals of PostgreSQL.
>
>
> One thing I have learned is that PG community is not as hostile/harsh as I
> imagined to newbies. Rather, its the reverse.
> I am feeling at hom
On 18 April 2017 at 15:41, Kang Yuzhe wrote:
> Thanks Simon for taking your time and trying to tell and warn me the harsh
> reality truth:there is no shortcut to expertise. One has to fail and rise
> towards any journey to expertise.
Yeah, just because Pg is hard doesn't mean it's notably bad or
On 18 April 2017 at 01:29, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
> Craig Ringer wrote:
>
>> Personally I have to agree that the learning curve is very steep. Some
>> of the docs and presentations help, but there's a LOT to understand.
>
> There is a wiki page "Developer_FAQ" which is supposed to help answer
> the
Thanks Simon for taking your time and trying to tell and warn me the harsh
reality truth:there is no shortcut to expertise. One has to fail and rise
towards any journey to expertise.
Overall, you are right. But I do believe that there is a way(some
techniques) to speed up any journey to expertise.
On 2017/04/18 15:31, Kang Yuzhe wrote:
> My question is why is that there is a lot of hands-on about PG application
> development(eg. connecting to PG using JAVA/JDBC) but almost nothing about
> PG hacking hands-on lessons. For example, I wanna add the keyword
> "Encrypted" in CREATE TABLE t1(a int
Thanks Kevin for taking your time and justifying the real difficult of
finding ones space/way in PG development.And thanks for your genuine advice
which I have taken it AS IS.
My question is why is that there is a lot of hands-on about PG application
development(eg. connecting to PG using JAVA/JDBC
Thanks Alvaro for taking your time and pointing me to "Developer_FAQ". I
knew this web page and there is good stuff int it.
The most important about "Developer_FAQ" which I believe is that it lists
vital books for PG developers.
Comparing the real challenge I am facing in finding my way in the rab
Craig Ringer wrote:
> Personally I have to agree that the learning curve is very steep. Some
> of the docs and presentations help, but there's a LOT to understand.
There is a wiki page "Developer_FAQ" which is supposed to help answer
these questions. It is currently not very useful, because peop
On 27 March 2017 at 13:00, Kang Yuzhe wrote:
> I have found PG source Code reading and hacking to be one the most
> frustrating experiences in my life. I believe that PG hacking should not be
> a painful journey but an enjoyable one!
>
> It is my strong believe that out of my PG hacking frustrat
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 10:36 PM, Craig Ringer wrote:
> Personally I have to agree that the learning curve is very steep. Some
> of the docs and presentations help, but there's a LOT to understand.
Some small patches can be kept to a fairly narrow set of areas, and
if you can find a similar capa
Thanks Amit for further confirmation on the Craig's intention.
I am looking forward to seeing your "PG internal machinery under
microscope" blog. May health, persistence and courage be with YOU.
Regards,
Zeray
On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Amit Langote <
langote_amit...@lab.ntt.co.jp> wrote
On 2017/03/29 12:36, Craig Ringer wrote:
> On 29 March 2017 at 10:53, Amit Langote wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 2017/03/28 15:40, Kang Yuzhe wrote:
>>> Thanks Tsunakawa for such an informative reply.
>>>
>>> Almost all of the docs related to the internals of PG are of introductory
>>> concepts only.
>>>
Thanks you all for pointing me to useful docs on PG kernel stuff as well as
for being sympathetic with me and the newbie question that appears to be
true and interesting but yet be addressed by PG experts.
Last but not least, *Craig Ringer*, you just nailed it!! You also made me
feel and think tha
On 29 March 2017 at 10:53, Amit Langote wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2017/03/28 15:40, Kang Yuzhe wrote:
>> Thanks Tsunakawa for such an informative reply.
>>
>> Almost all of the docs related to the internals of PG are of introductory
>> concepts only.
>> There is even more useful PG internals site entitl
Hi,
On 2017/03/28 15:40, Kang Yuzhe wrote:
> Thanks Tsunakawa for such an informative reply.
>
> Almost all of the docs related to the internals of PG are of introductory
> concepts only.
> There is even more useful PG internals site entitled "The Internals of
> PostgreSQL" in http://www.interdb.
On 03/27/2017 02:00 PM, Kang Yuzhe wrote:
> 1. Prepare Hands-on with PG internals
>
> For example, a complete Hands-on with SELECT/INSERT SQL Standard PG
> internals.
> The point is the experts can pick one fairly complex feature and walk it from
> Parser to Executor in a hands-on manner explai
Thanks Tsunakawa for such an informative reply.
Almost all of the docs related to the internals of PG are of introductory
concepts only.
There is even more useful PG internals site entitled "The Internals of
PostgreSQL" in http://www.interdb.jp/pg/ translation of the Japanese PG
Internals.
The qu
From: pgsql-hackers-ow...@postgresql.org
> [mailto:pgsql-hackers-ow...@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Kang Yuzhe
> 1. Prepare Hands-on with PG internals
>
>
> For example, a complete Hands-on with SELECT/INSERT SQL Standard PG
> internals. The point is the experts can pick one fairly complex fea
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 9:00 PM, Kang Yuzhe wrote:
> 1. Prepare Hands-on with PG internals
>
> For example, a complete Hands-on with SELECT/INSERT SQL Standard PG
> internals. The point is the experts can pick one fairly complex feature and
> walk it from Parser to Executor in a hands-on manner
Dear PG Hackers/Experts,
I am newbie to PG Hacking.
I have been reading the PG code base to find my space in it but without
success.
There are hundreds of Hands-on with PG Application development on the web.
Alas, there is almost none in PG hacking.
I have found PG source Code reading and hackin
Dear PG Hacker/Experts,
I am newbie to PG Hacking.
I have been reading the PG code base to find my space in it but without
success.
There are hundreds of Hands-on with PG Application development on the web.
Alas, there is almost none in PG hacking.
I have found PG source Code reading and hackin
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