Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-24 Thread Gregory Stark
> Tom Lane wrote: >> "Joshua D. Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> It should be standard docs imo. PDF is a heck of a lot easier to read if >>> you have a good PDF reader. >> >> Just out of curiosity, what would that be? I've used both Acrobat and >> Preview, and I do not like either. Have yo

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Matthew T. O'Connor
Bruce Momjian wrote: Tom Lane wrote: "Matthew T. O'Connor" writes: Lots of projects publish their HTML docs in two formats: One Big HTML file with everything; Broken up into many HTML files that link to each other. This would allow you you have one big searchable document. The key word ther

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tom Lane wrote: > "Matthew T. O'Connor" writes: > > Lots of projects publish their HTML docs in two formats: One Big HTML > > file with everything; Broken up into many HTML files that link to each > > other. This would allow you you have one big searchable document. > > The key word there bein

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Tom Lane
"Matthew T. O'Connor" writes: > Lots of projects publish their HTML docs in two formats: One Big HTML > file with everything; Broken up into many HTML files that link to each > other. This would allow you you have one big searchable document. The key word there being "big" ;-) ... I don't have

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Bruce Momjian
Matthew T. O'Connor wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > The big thing for me, is a single document, zero clicks, that is > > searchable. PDF and plain text are the only thing that give me that. If > > you are really zealous you can even use Beagle (which I don't) to > > preindex the PDF for you for

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Matthew T. O'Connor
Joshua D. Drake wrote: The big thing for me, is a single document, zero clicks, that is searchable. PDF and plain text are the only thing that give me that. If you are really zealous you can even use Beagle (which I don't) to preindex the PDF for you for easy searching. Lots of projects publish

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Hugh Sasse wrote: > I wrote : >>> Ah, so the HTML is the source, > > On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> No, docbook is the source of which you apply DSSSL to to generate PS, >> PDF, HTML, XML, Latex etc.. > > OK, well I need to become familiar with docbook for other projects, so >

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Hugh Sasse
> I wrote : > > > > Ah, so the HTML is the source, On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > No, docbook is the source of which you apply DSSSL to to generate PS, > PDF, HTML, XML, Latex etc.. OK, well I need to become familiar with docbook for other projects, so I may be able to con

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Hugh Sasse
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Andrew Dunstan wrote: > Hugh Sasse wrote: > > I'd like to improve it for me and others > > in my position without making it typographically hideous for fully sighted > > people :-). > There is no reason we cannot produce several versions of the docs. It doesn't > have to be o

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Joshua D. Drake
> The samples are on A5 rather than A4. I wonder if the PostgreSQL docs > were output to A$ whether that might help me, because I'd be able to > double the size before lines flowed off the screen? Thanks for this > info about Gentium -- I rather like it. >>> I suppose the question to ask now i

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Hugh Sasse wrote: I'd like to improve it for me and others in my position without making it typographically hideous for fully sighted people :-). There is no reason we cannot produce several versions of the docs. It doesn't have to be one size fits all. cheers andrew --

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Hugh Sasse
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Hugh Sasse wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > > > Hugh Sasse wrote: > > > > > > > It's a variable function of my vision, lighting, but I usually use 24 > > > > point > > > > on VDUs, In this terminal (because Lucida Console

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Hugh Sasse
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Tom Lane wrote: > > "Joshua D. Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> It should be standard docs imo. PDF is a heck of a lot easier to read if > >> you have a good PDF reader. > > > > Just out of curiosity, what would that be? I've used both Acrobat

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Hugh Sasse wrote: > On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > Hugh Sasse wrote: > > > > > It's a variable function of my vision, lighting, but I usually use 24 > > > point > > > on VDUs, In this terminal (because Lucida Console doesn't have thin > > > strokes, > > > the n's are about 5

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Hugh Sasse
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Hugh Sasse wrote: > > > It's a variable function of my vision, lighting, but I usually use 24 point > > on VDUs, In this terminal (because Lucida Console doesn't have thin strokes, > > the n's are about 5 mm high, but I'd like them bigger if possible.

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Hugh Sasse wrote: > It's a variable function of my vision, lighting, but I usually use 24 point > on VDUs, In this terminal (because Lucida Console doesn't have thin strokes, > the n's are about 5 mm high, but I'd like them bigger if possible. I'm > not the limiting case, a former colleague liked

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Hugh Sasse
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Am Freitag, 23. M?rz 2007 15:15 schrieb Hugh Sasse: > > The PDFs are of high quality in terms of effort and content, but I > > can't get the text large enough to see You trimmed that -- it is large enough if I can put up with non-smooth scrolling. I

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Am Freitag, 23. März 2007 15:15 schrieb Hugh Sasse: >> The PDFs are of high quality in terms of effort and content, but I >> can't get the text large enough to see > > How large would you need it to be? I can zoom both the PDF and the HTML so > that an "n" is 5mm high.

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Am Freitag, 23. März 2007 15:15 schrieb Hugh Sasse: > The PDFs are of high quality in terms of effort and content, but I > can't get the text large enough to see How large would you need it to be? I can zoom both the PDF and the HTML so that an "n" is 5mm high. -- Peter Eisentraut http://devel

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Tom Lane wrote: > "Joshua D. Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> It should be standard docs imo. PDF is a heck of a lot easier to read if >> you have a good PDF reader. > > Just out of curiosity, what would that be? I've used both Acrobat and > Preview, and I do not like either. I use Evince p

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Tom Lane
"Joshua D. Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It should be standard docs imo. PDF is a heck of a lot easier to read if > you have a good PDF reader. Just out of curiosity, what would that be? I've used both Acrobat and Preview, and I do not like either. (As to the original point, I'm all for f

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Joshua D. Drake
> me too > > I do think though that there is a good case for producing PDFs for sight > impaired people, on pgfoundry if not as part of our standard docs > production. It should be standard docs imo. PDF is a heck of a lot easier to read if you have a good PDF reader. Not to mention print. Jos

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Tom Lane wrote: Hugh Sasse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ... I have found the Web versions, but don't know how much (if anything) is lost in making the documents fit HTML. Nothing --- the HTML version is what I invariably consult. So if you have decent reader tools for HTML, by all mean

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Tom Lane
Hugh Sasse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ... I have found the Web versions, but don't know > how much (if anything) is lost in making the documents fit HTML. Nothing --- the HTML version is what I invariably consult. So if you have decent reader tools for HTML, by all means go with that.

Re: [HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Hugh Sasse wrote: > If this is too difficult, I have found the Web versions, but don't know > how much (if anything) is lost in making the documents fit HTML. I suggest you read the HTML pages. The information is the same. In fact, I think the question is "how much is lost in making the documen

[HACKERS] Documentation access problems.

2007-03-23 Thread Hugh Sasse
I'm new to PostgreSQL, having done a little work with MySQL in the past. Part of the reason for changing to PostgreSQL is some of the differences but to understand them I need docs of course. Now there are plenty of books, but I can't find any to examine in local bookshops (pretty poor for a town