Re: [HACKERS] IDLE in transaction introspection

2011-11-01 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 10:13:52AM -0400, Andrew Dunstan wrote: > > > On 11/01/2011 09:52 AM, Tom Lane wrote: > >Simon Riggs writes: > >>Why not leave it exactly as it is, and add a previous_query column? > >>That gives you exactly what you need without breaking anything. > >That would cost twic

Re: [HACKERS] Thoughts on "SELECT * EXCLUDING (...) FROM ..."?

2011-11-01 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 09:14:48AM -0400, Andrew Dunstan wrote: > The fact is that if you have 100 columns and want 95 of them, it's > very tedious to have to specify them all, especially for ad hoc > queries where the house SQL standards really don't matter that much. > It's made more tedious by t

Re: [HACKERS] sha1, sha2 functions into core?

2011-09-02 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 02:05:45PM -0500, k...@rice.edu wrote: > On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 09:54:07PM +0300, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > On ons, 2011-08-31 at 13:12 -0500, Ross J. Reedstrom wrote: > > > Hmm, this thread seems to have petered out without a conclusion. Just >

Re: [HACKERS] sha1, sha2 functions into core?

2011-08-31 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 10:14:58PM +0300, Marko Kreen wrote: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > > Marko Kreen writes: > >> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > >>> ... which this approach would create, because digest() isn't restricted > >>> to just those algorith

Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: Keywords in pg_hba.conf should be field-specific

2011-06-21 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:15:50AM -0400, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Excerpts from Pavel Stehule's message of mar jun 21 10:04:26 -0400 2011: > > 2011/6/21 Alvaro Herrera : > > > Excerpts from Pavel Stehule's message of mar jun 21 00:59:44 -0400 2011: > > > > > >> yes - it has a sense. Quoting changes

Re: [HACKERS] Boolean operators without commutators vs. ALL/ANY

2011-06-17 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 05:21:10PM +0200, Florian Pflug wrote: > On Jun17, 2011, at 17:15 , Ross J. Reedstrom wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:20:04AM -0400, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > >> Excerpts from Florian Pflug's message of vie jun 17 10:03:56 -0400 2011: > >&g

Re: [HACKERS] Boolean operators without commutators vs. ALL/ANY

2011-06-17 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:20:04AM -0400, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Excerpts from Florian Pflug's message of vie jun 17 10:03:56 -0400 2011: > > > How is that worse than the situation with "=~" and "~="? > > With =~ it is to the right, with ~= it is to the left. To throw my user opinion into this

Re: [HACKERS] FOREIGN TABLE doc fix

2011-06-16 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
Right, but I think he needs the "it's not easy, here's the whole workflow" overview first. Ross -- Ross Reedstrom, Ph.D. reeds...@rice.edu Systems Engineer & Admin, Research Scientistphone: 713-348-6166 Connexions http://cnx.org

Re: [HACKERS] pg_upgrade using appname to lock out other users

2011-06-16 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 09:48:12AM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Tom Lane wrote: > > "Ross J. Reedstrom" writes: > > > As an operations guy, the idea of an upgrade using a random, > > > non-repeatable port selection gives me the hebejeebees. > > &g

Re: [HACKERS] pg_upgrade using appname to lock out other users

2011-06-15 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 09:14:16PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > Bruce, > > * Bruce Momjian (br...@momjian.us) wrote: > > I have researched this and need feedback. > > In general, I like the whole idea of using random/special ports for the > duration of the upgrade. I agree that we need to kee

Re: [HACKERS] Range Types and extensions

2011-06-06 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 12:53:49PM -0400, Robert Haas wrote: > > I don't have clear feeling on this question in general, but if we're > going to break this up into pieces, it's important that they be > logical pieces. Putting half the feature in core and half into an > extension just because we c

Re: [HACKERS] Domains versus polymorphic functions, redux

2011-06-03 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 11:22:34AM -0400, Robert Haas wrote: > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Noah Misch wrote: > > No, there's no need to do that.  The domain "is" an array, not merely > > something > > that can be coerced to an array.  Therefore, it can be chosen as the > > polymorphic > > ty

Re: [HACKERS] BLOB support

2011-06-02 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 01:43:16PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > =?utf-8?q?Rados=C5=82aw_Smogura?= writes: > > Tom Lane Thursday 02 of June 2011 16:42:42 > >> Yes. I think the appropriate problem statement is "provide streaming > >> access to large field values, as an alternative to just fetching/sto

Re: [HACKERS] [PERFORM] Hash Anti Join performance degradation

2011-06-01 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 04:58:36PM -0400, Robert Haas wrote: > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > > Robert Haas writes: > >> I guess the real issue here is that m1.id < m2.id has to be evaluated > >> as a filter condition rather than a join qual. > > > > Well, if you can invent an

Re: [HACKERS] creating CHECK constraints as NOT VALID

2011-05-31 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:35:01AM -0500, Kevin Grittner wrote: > Alvaro Herrera wrote: > > > This patch allows you to initially declare a CHECK constraint as > > NOT VALID, similar to what we already allow for foreign keys. > > That is, you create the constraint without scanning the table and

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] Bug in XPATH() if expression returns a scalar value

2011-05-31 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 04:19:29PM +0200, Florian Pflug wrote: > Sorry for the self-reply but I figured it'd be helpful to add information > that I discovered only after my initial post. > > On May30, 2011, at 15:17 , Florian Pflug wrote: > > The XPath expression 'name(/*)', for example, is suppos

Re: [HACKERS] tackling full page writes

2011-05-27 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 01:29:05PM -0400, Robert Haas wrote: > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Greg Smith wrote: > > On 05/24/2011 04:34 PM, Robert Haas wrote: > > > I've been looking into a similar refactoring of the names here, where we > > bundle all of these speed over safety things (fsync,

Re: [HACKERS] LOCK DATABASE

2011-05-26 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 04:13:12PM -0400, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Excerpts from Robert Haas's message of jue may 19 15:32:57 -0400 2011: > > > > That's a bit of a self-defeating argument though, since it implies > > that the effect of taking an exclusive lock via LockSharedObject() > > will not si

Re: [HACKERS] Pull up aggregate subquery

2011-05-25 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:08:40PM -0400, Robert Haas wrote: > > I don't really like the idea of adding a GUC for this, unless we > convince ourselves that nothing else is sensible. I mean, that leads > to conversations like this: > > Newbie: My query is slow. > Hacker: Turn on enable_magic_pixi

Re: [HACKERS] Collation mega-cleanups

2011-05-10 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 07:21:16PM +0200, Andres Freund wrote: > On Tuesday, May 10, 2011 07:08:23 PM Ross J. Reedstrom wrote: > > On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 03:57:12PM -0400, Robert Haas wrote: > > > On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > Tom this

Re: [HACKERS] Collation mega-cleanups

2011-05-10 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 03:57:12PM -0400, Robert Haas wrote: > On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Tom this collation stuff has seen more post-feature-commit cleanups than > > I think any patch I remember.  Is there anything we can learn from this? > > How about "don't commit

Re: [HACKERS] Formatting Curmudgeons WAS: MMAP Buffers

2011-04-21 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 11:16:45AM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > Robert Haas writes: > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:43 AM, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > >> I think to really address that problem, you need to think about shorter > >> release cycles overall, like every 6 months. �Otherwise, the current 12 >

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Document the all-balls IPv6 address.

2011-03-24 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:00:19PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > Robert Haas writes: > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Andrew Dunstan > > wrote: > >> On 03/18/2011 09:18 PM, Robert Haas wrote: > >>> "all balls" seems like a colloquialism best avoided in our documentation. > > >> It's already the

Re: [HACKERS] Sync Rep v19

2011-03-11 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 09:03:33AM -0500, Robert Haas wrote: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 8:21 AM, Fujii Masao wrote: > > > > In that case, the last write WAL timestamp would become equal to the > > last replay WAL timestamp. So we can see that there is no lag. > > Oh, I see (I think). You're talki

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] Sync rep doc corrections

2011-03-07 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 03:45:17PM -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Excerpts from Tom Lane's message of lun mar 07 15:16:31 -0300 2011: > > > If we do that then it becomes worth wondering what the -docs list is for > > at all. Maybe we *should* get rid of it; I dunno. I see your point > > about ho

Re: [HACKERS] ALTER EXTENSION UPGRADE, v3

2011-02-03 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 04:31:08PM +0100, Dimitri Fontaine wrote: > "Ross J. Reedstrom" writes: > > Hmm, how about allowing a list of files to execute? That allows the > > Sure. I still don't see why doing it in the control file is better than > in the Makefile,

Re: [HACKERS] ALTER EXTENSION UPGRADE, v3

2011-02-03 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 10:21:28AM +0200, Anssi Kääriäinen wrote: > On 02/02/2011 08:22 PM, Dimitri Fontaine wrote: >> Either one line in the Makefile or a new file with the \i equivalent >> lines, that would maybe look like: >> >>SELECT pg_execute_sql_file('upgrade.v14.sql'); >>SELECT pg_e

Re: [HACKERS] Allowing multiple concurrent base backups

2011-01-13 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:06:18AM -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: > > > It makes it very convenient to set up standbys, without having to worry > > that you'll conflict e.g with a nightly backup. I don't imagine people > > will use streaming base backups for very large databases anyway. > > Also, imag

Re: [HACKERS] Patch to add a primary key using an existing index

2010-12-03 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 05:16:04PM -0500, Robert Treat wrote: > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: > > > However, I don't see why we need (column_list). Surely the index has a > > column list already? > > > > ALTER TABLE table_name ADD CONSTRAINT pk_name PRIMARY KEY USING index_na

Re: [HACKERS] contrib: auth_delay module

2010-11-19 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 04:57:03PM +0900, KaiGai Kohei wrote: > (2010/11/18 2:17), Robert Haas wrote: > > > >If KaiGai updates the code per previous discussion, would you be > >willing to take a crack at adding documentation? > > > >P.S. Your email client seems to be setting the Reply-To address to

Re: [HACKERS] contrib: auth_delay module

2010-11-17 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 09:41:37PM -0500, Robert Haas wrote: > On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 8:15 PM, KaiGai Kohei wrote: > > If we don't need a PoC module for each new hooks, I'm not strongly > > motivated to push it into contrib tree. > > How about your opinion? > > I'd say let it go, unless someone

Re: [HACKERS] SHOW TABLES

2010-07-15 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 04:20:12PM +0100, Simon Riggs wrote: > > Just for the record, I've never ever met anyone that said "Oh, this \d > syntax makes so much sense. I'm a real convert to Postgres now you've > shown me this". The reaction is always the opposite one; always > negative. Which detrac

Re: [HACKERS] Admission Control

2010-06-28 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 01:19:57PM -0400, Robert Haas wrote: > > I'm not sure. What does seem clear is that it's fundamentally at odds > with the "admission control" approach Kevin is advocating. When you > start to run short on a resource (perhaps memory), you have to decide > between (a) waiti

Re: [HACKERS] New PGXN Extension site

2010-06-15 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 03:42:59PM -0700, David E. Wheeler wrote: > On Jun 15, 2010, at 3:22 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > I totaly agreed you need funding, and you are very well qualified to do > > this, and it is a badly needed facility. > > Thanks. > > > The problem I had is that the effort

Re: [HACKERS] New PGXN Extension site

2010-06-15 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 01:25:33PM -0700, David E. Wheeler wrote: > On Jun 15, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > This was just posted to announce. Seems the community now has to > > compete with another extension-based infrastructure if we ever get > > around to developing one of our o

Re: [HACKERS] no universally correct setting for fsync

2010-05-10 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 01:35:32PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > deleted, > or on a reporting read-only clone of your database which gets > recreated very > night and is not used for failover. High quality hardware alone s/very/every/ or s/very night/periodically/ Ross -- Ross Re

Re: [HACKERS] Add column if not exists (CINE)

2010-04-28 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 08:18:13PM -0400, Robert Haas wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Kjell Rune Skaaraas > wrote: [snip] > > I saw some indications that this might be a minority opinion, well I would > > like to cast a vote FOR this functionality. The workarounds are ugly, the > > so

Re: [HACKERS] psql: Add setting to make '+' on \d implicit

2010-04-23 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:58:40AM -0500, Terry Brown wrote: > I asked on IRC if there was any way to make \d behave like \d+ by default, > and davidfetter said no but suggest it here. > > endpoint_david pointed out you could use \d- to get the old behavior if you > wanted to temporarily negate

Re: [HACKERS] Alias to rollback keyword

2010-04-01 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:34:41PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Matthew Altus wrote: > > Hey, > > > > After dealing with a production fault and having to rollback all the time, > > I > > kept typing a different word instead of rollback. So I created a patch to > > accept this word as an alias

Re: [HACKERS] function to display ddl

2010-02-14 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 05:08:05PM +0100, Yeb Havinga wrote: > Little, Douglas wrote: > > > >Hi, > > > > > > > >Is there a PG command or fuction that will return table ddl? > > > If you just want the definition,in psql type \d tablename. > To dump ddl the pg_dump with proper arguments can dump jus

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] Output configuration status after ./configure run.

2010-02-10 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 07:01:19PM +0200, Priit Laes wrote: > > It might avoid the 'UU, I forgot to enable python support.', > after you have waited a while for the build to finish... > +1 from me, for that very reason! Ross -- Ross Reedstrom, Ph.D. reed

Re: [HACKERS] MySQL-ism help patch for psql

2010-01-25 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:49:55AM -0600, Ross J. Reedstrom wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 06:06:53PM +0200, Alastair Bell Turner wrote: > <..> > > without having to add a switch to their command lines. It's not going > > to have anything to say to experienced

Re: [HACKERS] MySQL-ism help patch for psql

2010-01-25 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 06:06:53PM +0200, Alastair Bell Turner wrote: <..> > without having to add a switch to their command lines. It's not going > to have anything to say to experienced psql users anyway so it would > probably not bug anyone enough to turn it off. I would so use this feature goi

Re: [HACKERS] primary key display in psql

2010-01-14 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 05:03:33PM -0500, Robert Haas wrote: > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > > > > Spelling out "primary key" would seem to be more in keeping with existing > > entries in that column, eg we have "not null" not "NN". > > > > I think this is a sensible proposal

Re: [HACKERS] New PostgreSQL Committers

2009-12-08 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 10:49:13AM +, Dave Page wrote: > On behalf of the core team, I'm pleased to announce that the > > Congratulations! > +1 Congrats to you all, and thanks for the contributions, both past and future. As an aside, this sort of thing is one of the best signs to an external

Re: [HACKERS] SE-PgSQL patch review

2009-11-24 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 03:12:43PM +0900, KaiGai Kohei wrote: > Itagaki Takahiro wrote: > > * CREATE TABLE tbl (col integer AS SECURITY_CONTEXT = '...') > > Is the syntax " SECURITY_CONTEXT" natural in English? > > We need to put a reserved token, such as "AS", prior to the SECURITY_CONTEXT > to

Re: [HACKERS] plruby code and postgres ?

2009-11-20 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 05:15:05PM -0700, u235sentinel wrote: > Does anyone have a link for pl/ruby? I found a link under the postgres > documentation and found a web site from there talking about the code. > However when I clicked on the link to download it I noticed ftp wouldn't > respond on

Re: [HACKERS] 'TID index'

2004-09-25 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Sat, Sep 25, 2004 at 11:14:53AM +0100, Simon Riggs wrote: > >Jim C. Nasby > > Fair questions. MVCC has been tightly locked into Postgres/SQL for the whole > of its history. There is much written on this and you should search some > more - references are in the manual. Well, not quite it's whol

Re: [HACKERS] Open items

2004-08-18 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 10:12:53PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Magnus Hagander wrote: > > > > Another discussion was about binary files in the tree (not being source > > files - the source is a binary .AI file (AFAIK that's Adobe > > Illustrator)). The question was raised wether ImageMagick coul

Re: Postgres development model (was Re: [HACKERS] CVS comment)

2004-08-08 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 01:18:02AM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Maybe a better SCM could help with this, but I doubt it. > > I haven't seen any particular reason why we should adopt another SCM. > Perhaps BitKeeper or SubVersion would be better for our

Re: [HACKERS] Error codes revisited

2003-03-05 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 11:04:03PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > > There is still barely enough time to do the long-threatened protocol > revision for 7.4, if we suck it up and get started on that now. I've > been avoiding the issue myself, because it seems generally boring and > thankless work, but m

Re: [HACKERS] Simplifying timezone support

2003-03-02 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 08:39:12PM -0600, Ross J. Reedstrom wrote: > > Every other validly formatted TZ variable that returns GMT should be > caught be the datetktbl check. > > I'll play with it this weekend, see how hard it is to make it work. O.K., the weekend's o

Re: [HACKERS] Simplifying timezone support

2003-03-02 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
proposed order of application of tzset() vs. table lookup? Ross On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 03:34:56PM -0600, Ross J. Reedstrom wrote: > On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 08:39:12PM -0600, Ross J. Reedstrom wrote: > > > > Every other validly formatted TZ variable that returns GMT should be >

Re: [HACKERS] Simplifying timezone support

2003-02-28 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 06:15:31PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > "Ross J. Reedstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I'm worried about cases like "Africa/Benin" for places that just happen > to be on the prime meridian, but don't call their time

Re: [HACKERS] Simplifying timezone support

2003-02-28 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 05:45:53PM -0600, Ross J. Reedstrom wrote: > On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 06:15:31PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > > "Ross J. Reedstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > I'm worried about cases like "Africa/Benin" for

Re: [HACKERS] Simplifying timezone support

2003-02-28 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 04:19:21PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > "Ross J. Reedstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 03:21:09PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > >> Provide a portable way of getting libc to tell us whether it likes TZ, > >> and

Re: [HACKERS] Simplifying timezone support

2003-02-21 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 03:21:09PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > "Ross J. Reedstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > question about pgsql's time zone parsers. It appears there's at least > > two, since SET TIME ZONE accepts strings like 'US/Eastern

Re: [HACKERS] Simplifying timezone support

2003-02-20 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 10:35:58PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > Any objections? Not to your suggestion per se, but looking at the bug report raises a question about pgsql's time zone parsers. It appears there's at least two, since SET TIME ZONE accepts strings like 'US/Eastern', while general timest

Re: [HACKERS] psql and readline

2003-02-19 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 12:03:44AM +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Ross J. Reedstrom writes: > > > Yes, BSD systems that install libedit directly in /usr/include (or into > > readline), like Patrick's, don't need it, but mine do. Is there some > >

Re: [HACKERS] psql and readline

2003-02-18 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Mon, Feb 17, 2003 at 12:05:20AM +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Ross J. Reedstrom writes: > > I don't think this is what we were out for. We've certainly been running > with libedit for a long time without anyone ever mentioning > /usr/include/editline. I sugge

Re: [HACKERS] psql and readline

2003-02-18 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 03:10:19PM -0600, Ross J. Reedstrom wrote: > On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 11:32:02AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > > Patrick Welche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 10:25:52AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > > >> Well, is that a

Re: [HACKERS] Todo "claim": psql tab completion on schema names

2003-02-15 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 01:34:34AM +0100, Ian Barwick wrote: > On Sunday 16 February 2003 01:10, Rod Taylor wrote: > > I've been debating a mechanism which could build tab completion tables > > based on the documentation for a while now -- and was going to give it a > > try next week. If it works,

Re: [HACKERS] Can we revisit the thought of PostgreSQL 7.2.4?

2003-01-28 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 09:55:25PM -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Lamar Owen wrote: > > We'll see how it pans out, I guess. > > > > Red Hat certainly thought it was worth spending some time on; reference their > > back porting of the fixes to versions as old as 6.5.3. > > If we can get them all,

Re: [HACKERS] Call for objections: put back OIDs in CREATE TABLE AS/SELECT INTO

2003-01-23 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 10:03:28AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > Curt Sampson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I object. I personally think we should be moving towards not using OIDs > > as the default behaviour, inasmuch as we can, for several reasons: > > All these objections are global in nature, not

Re: [HACKERS] Generate user/group sysids from a sequence?

2003-01-17 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 11:38:24AM -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Tom Lane wrote: > > > > A small difficulty is that explicitly-specified sysids could conflict > > with sysids generated later by the sequence. We could perhaps fix this > > by forcing up the sequence setting to be at least as large

Re: [HACKERS] Oracle rant

2003-01-16 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 11:17:42AM -0500, Jeff wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, mlw wrote: > > So with all that, you gotta appreciate both sides - hte fact pg "just > works" and the tunability of bigger db's (Oh yeah - and we've actually had > informix on the horn about the problem - their solution w

Re: [HACKERS] copying perms to another user

2003-01-14 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 12:23:59PM +0800, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > > "Christopher Kings-Lynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > No, I mean that we don't drop the user. You go: > > > ALTER USER chriskl COPY PERMISSIONS FROM blah; > > > > That seems cleaner to me than the DROP thingy. > > >

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL site, put up or shut up?

2003-01-13 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 10:01:38AM -0500, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Dan Langille wrote: > > > On 13 Jan 2003 at 9:45, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > FTP is just over 800MB, plan for growth. > > > > > WEB is just ove

Re: [HACKERS] pg_get_constraintdef

2003-01-13 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 11:59:33AM +0800, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: >Tom Lane writes: > > > > Feel free to contribute some code. > > I will, but unfortunately the damage has already been done...since I have to > support 7.3 anyway, fixing the above problem will actually make my life > harder,

Re: [HACKERS] psql and readline

2003-01-10 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 11:02:55PM +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Ross J. Reedstrom writes: > > > I already posted a one-line patch to implement this, but it doesn't > > seem to hve come through to the list. Here it is inline, instead of as > > an attachment: >

Re: [HACKERS] psql and readline

2003-01-09 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 07:15:34AM +, Peter Mount wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > > Tom Lane writes: > > > > > The case I find interesting is where you're using plain "\e" to > > > re-edit a query interactively. If this query never gets into the > > > history buffer

Re: [HACKERS] psql and readline

2003-01-09 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 10:49:33PM +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Christopher Kings-Lynne writes: > > > Is there any way of making the 'up' arrow retrieve all of the last multiline > > query, instead of just the last line? > > There is nothing technical that should prevent you from implementing

Re: [HACKERS] Upgrading rant.

2003-01-02 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 07:26:06PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > Lamar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > replies I will rather quickly redirect to /dev/null, as it isn't Red Hat's > > fault we can't do a sane upgrade. > > I think you're wasting your time trying to hold us to a higher standard > of

[HACKERS] psql's tab completions for ALTER command

2002-12-11 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 09:04:07PM +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Alvaro Herrera writes: > > > Would it work to make \d tab-completable in a way that showed both the > > commands that are available and the objects they describe? e.g. > > > > \d would show something like > > \dt [tables]\

Re: [HACKERS] SQL/MED spec for cross-database linkages

2002-12-06 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 01:52:01PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > Rod Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Found SQL/MED, Section 21 of ISO 9075-9. > > That's the old version, though. The new draft is at (digs out article) > http://sqlstandards.org/SC32/WG3/Progression_Documents/FCD/4FCD1-14-XML-2002

Re: [HACKERS] SQL/MED spec for cross-database linkages

2002-12-06 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 01:52:01PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > Rod Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Found SQL/MED, Section 21 of ISO 9075-9. > > That's the old version, though. The new draft is at (digs out article) > http://sqlstandards.org/SC32/WG3/Progression_Documents/FCD/4FCD1-14-XML-2002

Re: [HACKERS] Propose RC1 for Friday ...

2002-11-15 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
I've tested this under 7.3, and it works beautifully for the cases I've built over the last 2 days. I can no longer bugger a plan up mearly by reordering the WHERE clauses. Note that 2 of the five parts won't patch in (involving constantqual). Looks to be code refactoring between here and planmain.

Re: [HACKERS] Propose RC1 for Friday ...

2002-11-14 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 11:43:14PM -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Tom Lane wrote: > > "Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > It seems to me that about the only major issue right now is testing the > > > various platforms ... would anyone disagree with putting out an RC1 on > > > Friday

Re: [HACKERS] performance regression, 7.2.3 -> 7.3b5 w/ VIEW

2002-11-13 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
, I'll fix it. Ross On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 09:28:38AM +0100, Tommi Maekitalo wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 13. November 2002 07:22 schrieb Ross J. Reedstrom: > > Hey Hackers - > ... > > > > CREATE VIEW current_modules AS > >SELECT * FROM m

Re: [HACKERS] performance regression, 7.2.3 -> 7.3b5 w/ VIEW

2002-11-13 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 08:58:04AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > "Ross J. Reedstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Bingo, that solved it. I'm back to 160 ms. What does Tom feel about > > removing this? Is there some way the planner could have known which

Re: [HACKERS] performance regression, 7.2.3 -> 7.3b5 w/ VIEW

2002-11-13 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 02:40:40AM -0500, Mike Mascari wrote: > Ross J. Reedstrom wrote: > > > >For this query, the difference is 160 ms vs. 2 sec. Any reason for this > >change? > > I could be way off base, but here's a shot in the dark: > > >http://gr

[HACKERS] performance regression, 7.2.3 -> 7.3b5 w/ VIEW

2002-11-12 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
Hey Hackers - I was testing beta5 and found a performance regression involving application of constraints into a VIEW - I've got a view that is fairly expensive, involving a subselet and an aggregate. When the query is rewritten in 7.2.3, the toplevel constraint is used to filter before the subse

Re: [HACKERS] protocol change in 7.4

2002-11-07 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 05:02:14PM +0900, Satoshi Nagayasu wrote: > Hannu Krosing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Exactly. When user send the COMMIT command to the master server, the > > > master.talks to the slaves to process precommit-vote-commit using the > > > 2PC. The 2PC cycle is hidden fro

Re: [HACKERS] protocol change in 7.4

2002-11-05 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 08:54:46PM +0900, Satoshi Nagayasu wrote: > > > Hannu Krosing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > In protocol-layer 2PC, no new SQL command is required. > > > A precommit-vote-commit phase will be called implicitly. It means an > > > user application can be used witho

Re: [HACKERS] protocol change in 7.4

2002-11-04 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 08:10:29PM -0500, Mike Mascari wrote: > Actually, I was thinking along the lines of a true CREATE > DATABASE LINK implementation, where multiple databases could > participate in a distributed transaction. That would require the > backend in which the main query is execu

Re: [HACKERS] Turning the PLANNER off

2002-11-04 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 10:59:39PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > > What's the basis for your assertion that it's "planning things that > don't need it"? Given a JOIN-constrained query I do not believe the > planner will look at any cases other than the intended join order. Well, that was a loose choi

Re: [HACKERS] Turning the PLANNER off

2002-10-30 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
Ah, so Ben finally got around to posting here. Ben's a CS Grad student here at Rice. His (current) project involves taking some interesting results from constraint satisfaction and implementing them on a database: one of the CS faculty has demonstrated that one class of highly joined DB queries map

Re: [HACKERS] Web site

2002-09-24 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 11:26:55AM -0400, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Ross J. Reedstrom wrote: > > > > I'd suggest setting a cookie, so I only see the 'pick a mirror' the > > first time. And provide a link to 'pick a different mirr

Re: [HACKERS] Web site

2002-09-24 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 03:59:33AM -0400, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Gavin Sherry wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > It occurs to me that opening web page on www.postgresql.org, asking the > > user to select the mirror, is rather unprofessional. I am sure this has > > been discussed

Re: [HACKERS] Proposal for resolving casting issues

2002-09-19 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 06:00:37PM +0200, Zeugswetter Andreas SB SD wrote: > > What if he must display 9 digits and says the result is approximately 2.45678932 > would that be worse than 2.4600 ? Yup. Trailing zeros are not significant. That's why scientific notation is nice: you don't fill

Re: [HACKERS] Proposal for resolving casting issues

2002-09-19 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 10:30:51AM -0500, Ross J. Reedstrom wrote: > > Ah, sorry to drag this on, then. But this is one of those clear cases > were we must fo the right thing, not follow the crowd. PostgreSQL gets do > used by a lot of scientific projects (Have you not

Re: [HACKERS] Proposal for resolving casting issues

2002-09-19 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 04:57:30PM +0200, Zeugswetter Andreas SB SD wrote: > > > > > > Have you seen my example ? If calculated in float4 the result of > > > 1.01*1000.0-1000.0 would be 0.0, no ? > > > > So? If you are storing one input as float4, then you cannot rationally > > sa

Re: [HACKERS] Win32 rename()/unlink() questions

2002-09-18 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 08:01:42PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Second, when you unlink() a file on Win32, do applications continue > accessing the old file contents if they had the file open before the > unlink? I'm pretty sure it errors with 'file in use'. Pretty ugly, huh? Ross -

Re: [HACKERS] MySQL wins award - makes amusing statement

2002-09-11 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 01:56:19PM +0800, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > > *sigh* > > Well, at least they have an easy and fast upgrade process ;) Right, fewer pesky features to get in the way of the upgrade ;-> Ross ---(end of broadcast)--- T

Re: [HACKERS] Rule updates and PQcmdstatus() issue

2002-09-09 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 11:30:52AM -0700, Dann Corbit wrote: > > > > I suspect it'll be several more major releases before we > > begin to consider it approaching completely functional. > > I believe that the surprise is at the focus, when it comes to a release. > With commercial products (anyw

Re: [HACKERS] Inheritance

2002-09-05 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 10:23:02AM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > I really like Hannu's idea of storing an entire (single-inheritance) > hierarchy in a single file. Wouldn't this require solving the ALTER TABLE ADD COLUMN (to parent) column ordering problem? > I guess the question we need to ask ours

Re: [HACKERS] pgaccess - where to store the own data

2002-09-04 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 02:43:38PM -0400, Matthew T. OConnor wrote: > > As someone else mentioned (I think), even using a separate schema is not > > always an acceptable option. If you are using a "packaged" application > > (whether commercial or open source), you usually don't want *any* > > chan

Re: [HACKERS] Proposed GUC Variable

2002-08-27 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 06:08:40PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > But we should have some default to print some of the query, > > Why? So far you've been told by two different people (make that three > now) that such a behavior is useless, and no one's wei

Re: [HACKERS] @(#) Mordred Labs advisory 0x0001: Buffer overflow in

2002-08-20 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 11:28:32AM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > "Nigel J. Andrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > But going back to the idea that it seems that the only problem being > > publicised in the 'outside world' is the cash_out(2) version can we > > not do the restriction on acceptable input

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-16 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 10:21:12AM -0400, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > RPMs aren't a good enough reason to put it in. All features aren't > installed in an RPM, why would this need to? Besides, anything that > is runtime configurable can end up getting its default changed on a > whim. Then again

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