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Possibly Marc should adopt the habit of making the commit messages read
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote:
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 17:31, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2010, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Excerpts from Peter Eisentraut's message of mi? sep 29 04:08:35 -0400
2010:
On s?n, 2010-09-26 at 17:11 +0200, Magnus Hagander
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Bruce, can you confirm the last two? I assume you were around back
then? ;) Or maybe Marc?
Dan McGuirk is definitely right. I do not remember Julian Assange at
all. Why do we believe it is Julian Assange?
That name definitely rings a bell for me ...
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On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Simon Riggs wrote:
SQLServer and Sybase use sp_ procedures for this
Haven't experienced Sybase for 2 years in my last job, I can tell you that
the sp_* commands are definitely non-intuitive :(
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gist of this question, but ... how can they use them
if they don't exist?
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to get the information, then 'SHOW TABLES' doesn't really provide them
anything, does it?
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SELECT * FROM TABLES;
mre like:
SELECT * FROM TABLES WHERE not a system table or information schema table;
if we want to get *somewhere* close to \d ...
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multiple table s(or
information_schema), that option is still open to them ...
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On Thu, 15 Jul 2010, Thom Brown wrote:
On 15 July 2010 17:07, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jul 2010, Thom Brown wrote:
If it's only a psql problem, why implement it as SQL? Is it just so we're
not adding keywords specifically to psql? In that case, it shouldn'
27;d like to be able to write perl scripts that talk to the backend without
having to remember all the various system tables I need to query / join to
get the same results as \d gives me in psql ... same for any interface
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reason to do a beta then, we don't
do it ...
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As decided at this years hackers conference, we are branching
REL9_0_STABLE *before* the release, instead of after.
The hope is that we won't be taking away resources from finishing the
release, but still allow ppl to continue to work on projects that are for
9.1.
The branch is now created
On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Robert Haas wrote:
Cool. So, should we have Bruce go ahead and pgindent now?
Yup, as that will give 3 days before wrap / branch to deal with any fall
out from mit :)
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that?
- Someone will need to branch the tree after the wrap and stamp it
9.1devel. Who is doing that?
Me, after I wrap
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2010, Josh Berkus wrote:
On 6/28/10 11:52 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Why not do prep work with a release on the 5th?
I think that a bunch of the people needed for wraps are Americans. No?
I'm not sure of all our nationalities .. I'm in Canada, Dave is in EU ...
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This will be of more concern later, I imagine, when we're dealing with a
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hecked the body of the message to now it shouldn't be approved
... most of the work is already done by that point ...
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living in different time zones is an idea. If nobody in +0900 tinme
zone(Japan), I'd like to be an additional moderator.
Sounds great to me ... please confirm what email address you wish to use
for this and I'll get you added ...
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to lag for several days. Or there are a couple of pass-throughs, for
release announcements and PWN, which are not moderated.
I've asked several times that we add additional moderators for -announce.
Anyone volunteering ... ? Adding is simple enough ...
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On Mon, 31 May 2010, Tom Lane wrote:
"Marc G. Fournier" writes:
On Mon, 31 May 2010, Bruce Momjian wrote:
Well, they can just grab nightly snapshots and test, right? I don't
think a beta is fundamentally different from a nightly snapshot,
source-code wise.
doesn'
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On Mon, 31 May 2010, Bruce Momjian wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Mon, 31 May 2010, Tom Lane wrote:
I find myself entirely unimpressed by proposals to make releases
according to some rigid schedule that takes no account of whether
packaging manpower is actually available.
How many beta
m not saying don't try and get packages in place, I'm just saying it
shouldn't be a requirement to stamp code BETA and create a tar ball ...
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were reported (and fixed), weeks earlier ...
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sonably be blamed for not following etiquette. That's simply
not true with the current divisions.
how about something -sql vs -tuning ... ? -tuning replacing -performance,
which I do agree could be sql *or* server ... where -tuning would be more
obviously server related ...
Marc G.
, ppl see it ...
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On Sat, 15 May 2010, Jaime Casanova wrote:
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
And IMHO, that is as much a fault of the 'old timers' on the lists as the
newbies ... if nobody redirects / loosely enforces the mandates of the
various lists, newbies aren't go
on receipt.
*Exactly* ... the thought that we should increase the volume on any one of
the lists seems counter-productive, but, I guess is the @postgresql.org
mailing lists are the only ones that someone participats into, maybe they
hae enough time to keep up on *all* of the email ... ?
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appropriate ones ...
Personally, my experience with large lists is that if there is a smaller,
more focused list, I'll post there first, to avoid being lost in the noise
... and, I will re-post to a more general list *if* and only if I'm unable
to get an answer from where I poste
ith a -BCC to -hackers so that follow ups will go over there (since Josh
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it ...
In fact, I just removed / changed to BCC -hackers so that all further
discussions on this part of the thread will be on -chat ...
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Can you offer improvd / stronger wording on this ... ?
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On Fri, 14 May 2010, Yeb Havinga wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Thu, 13 May 2010, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Excerpts from Yeb Havinga's message of jue may 13 15:06:53 -0400 2010:
My $0.02 - I like the whole 'don't sort, search' (or how did they call
it?) just let the i
r ...
I am definitely against *merging* lists ... getting rid of the 'meta list'
makes more sense so as to force ppl to *use* the smaller lists then to
merge smaller lists and *increase* the noise on one of them ...
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-novice : I'm a new user
-odbc : how to use ...
-php : php related interface questions
-interfaces : more general then -odbc
why not close down -general so that ppl *have* to use better pick where to
post their question ...
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-performance ... that way those on -general know that
its been redirected, but *hopefully* users replying will honor the
-performance redirect ...
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iction against cross posting altogether?
... and, for those that have been here awhile, who "should know better",
why isn't there any self-management of this sort of stuff in the first
place?
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? Right now, ppl filter based on the
X-Mailing-List header, or just the Participant ...
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On Thu, 13 May 2010, Tom Lane wrote:
"Marc G. Fournier" writes:
On Thu, 13 May 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote:
We tried that with pgsql-hackers-win32 and iirc also
pgsql-hackers-pitr, and it was a big failure...
But, we are doing that now with pgsql-cluster-hackers and it looks to
me .. all list email does have an
X-Mailing-List header added so that you can label based on list itself ...
is that what you mean, or are you thinking of something else entirely?
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On Thu, 13 May 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote:
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
My thought had been a split along the lines of major components of the server
... for instance, a totally seperate list for HS related issues, so that, if
nothing else, those 'lurkers&
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On Thu, 13 May 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote:
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Wed, 12 May 2010, Greg Stark wrote:
I'm thinking I'll move -general (and the useless -novice) to another folder.
But I'm left wondering what to do with -admin and -perform
ng with -general but that means I won't be likely
to see any development discussion on them in the future
There shouldn't be any dev discussions on them as it is ... that isn't
their mandate ... those are/were meant to be end-user lists, not
developer ones ...
Marc G.
at we have such strong
commit fests, that we should have a seperate form for 'design phase' then
for 'reivew discusions' ... *shrug*
There may be some that are interested in what is being implemented, but
don't really care about how it was implement
have to subscribe, but it
would make it easier for ppl to filter their incoming ... ?
Not sure where the split would be, mind you ... almost thinking about
patch review / discussions vs hashing out new features or something like
that ...
Just a thought ...
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7;re not throwing in any new
code .. it is a time for more 'end users' to start testing real world
applications (even if they won't run 9.0, but will wait for 9.0.1) to
start evaluating, which inevitable will generate bug reports to be fixed
...
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Robert Haas wrote:
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Robert Haas wrote:
Well, never mind that then. How about a beta next week?
I'm good for that ...
Anyone else want to weigh in for or against this?
We're
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Robert Haas wrote:
Well, never mind that then. How about a beta next week?
I'm good for that ...
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2010, Robert Haas wrote:
/me pushes luck
And how about a set of back-branch releases while we're at it?
We tend to try and avoid overlapping a "release" with a "beta" to avoid
confusion ... but didn't we just do a fresh back branch release a
s any traction, I am sure that Greg Smith,
Berkus and I could provide that list with nothing but a care bear
discussion.
+1 ... but, why the 'top 15'? why not just those that are uncommented to
start with, and leave those that are commented out as 'in the docs' ... ?
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ation mentions?
Why are those that don't want it determining what those that do want it
have access to? Easier for those that don't want it to 'skip it' then it
is for those that do to go searching in older releases for it ...
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My only thought would be to change 'pseudo' to 'virtual' ... my initial
read, I was looking for a system database like template1/template0 being
created ...
Thx ...
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Fujii Masao wrote:
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
I&#
lse, but nadda ...
can't connect to it using psql, which makes it confusing as to why I'm
configuring access to it via pg_hba.conf ...
So, what am I missing that should be obvious to me ... ?
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On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Bruce Momjian wrote:
I hate to pour cold water on this, but why is it worth adding support
for a platform that has such marginal usage.
Because someone feels like dedicating their resources to it ... ?
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to undertake a major new porting effort.
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2009, Bruce Momjian wrote:
The other problem with moving to /contrib is that I can't put out
pg_migrator updates independently of the main community release, which
could be bad.
Why not?
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What are RedHats "EOL" dates for the various releases?
Doesn't mean that packagers have to make new packages ... I personally
think new packages shouldn't be made for anything older then *maybe* 3
releases (8.2, 8.3 and 8.4), but even that I think tends to
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first place, maybe? Document it in the docs, but dont including it in the
default postgresql.conf?
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difference in performance ... suspect that is the same for all the *BSDs,
not sure about any other platform though ... maybe Windows?
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easier to do a 'gradual clean up', then an 'all-at-once' scenario, no?
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in question more then sufficient time to fix their code already, no? 3
years, or so?
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it, I agree ... as long as this isn't something that is going to be
backpatched, there should be no reason why this can't go in for 8.5 ...
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much work for an alpha cycle. Why not encourage it _only_ after
the last commitfest?
What is wrong with encouraging but not requiring? Less work for 'after
the last commitfest' that way ...
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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Well, I rarely test the actual release source tarball, so it might have
been like that forever.
'k ... I swore I haven't changed anything over there in awhile, so was
most confused as to where this sudden error came from ...
-
or a long while now ...
Peter, is this a recently change you've noticed, or something that has
been like that for while now?
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On Wed, 27 May 2009, Kevin Grittner wrote:
"Marc G. Fournier" wrote:
I'm curious as to what is different about these vs all the other
tags I've ever done, both before, and after ...
Any chance you tagged, changes were committed, and you then tagged
files from such a lat
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>> So, you are suggesting:
>>
>> cvs -q tag -d REL7_1_BETA2 .
>> cvs -q tag -d REL7_1_
'em?
Specifically, it's 2 tags, and I just remove them:
REL7_1_BETA2
REL7_1_BETA3
So, you are suggesting:
cvs -q tag -d REL7_1_BETA2 .
cvs -q tag -d REL7_1_BETA3 .
correct?
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Try that, should be fixed ...
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Why a patch? Why not just:
configset DEFAULT message_footer <http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/$LIST
--
Archives URL:
http://archives.postgresql.org/message-id/$MESSAGE_ID
ENDAAB
It
ST
--
Archives URL:
http://archives.postgresql.org/message-id/$MESSAGE_ID
ENDAAB
Its a simple setting ... *shrug*
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Details? I find no public record of this.
I think it was Keystone; Marc set it up.
If that was it, god, that was what, 10 years ago when we tried that? And
yes, it was atrocious ...
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>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Well they can still talk to the
ing in. Period.
Well, they weren't getting in before ... i twas the massive flood of attempts
that was hurting :)
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work? Does that kill the script kiddies in their tracks? I'm
guessing so, but had never thought to try it ...
How would someone upload their key if they don't have access? Some sort of web
interface? One wouldn't want to throw extra admin overhead if it can be
avoided ...
t the
server load on some of the machines was to the point of unusability ...
again, thankfully, that didn't manifest it self on any of the postgresql
servers, but we didn't want to take any chances of it bleeding over ...
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> Seems it's below 30k as my 34k (gz) patch was dropped yesterday.
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Well I will grant that I don't know that there is a better forum because
we don't have a [EMAIL PROTECTED] :) but I am pretty certain that
discussion of the Git repo administration doesn't have much to do with
-hackers.
How about some generic list? [EMAIL PROTECTED] or something like
that
eleases wanted to do it the same way, then we could
> just let the script say "autoconf". But I'm not sure anybody else
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> Tagged tree as 8.3.4
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- --On Wednesday, April 09, 2008 19:06:30 -0700 "Joshua D. Drake"
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> On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:59:43 -0300
> "Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Damn, this is sta
e is laid out for them *as long
as* it is enforced ...
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th that procedure :)
Damn, this is starting to get to be a trend ... but, I can't but agree 100%
with this ... we *can* enforce, and I doubt it will have much (if any) affect
on the # of patches that come in, since ppl want to see their work committed,
and will follow any *reaonable* procedure we
id-based url in
> the archives for that message. Then at least you would have that handy.
Actually, I think it was Magnus that asked me about this (or similar) ... I can
add either an X-header, or something in the body, that includes the Message-Id,
as ppl desire it ...
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operation more than
> with the tarball-making.
Has anyone actually checked the tarballs themselves? If the tag's are wrong,
then doesn't it follow that the tarballs themselves are all wrong too?
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