Re: [HACKERS] Adding support for SE-Linux security

2009-12-11 Thread David P. Quigley
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 11:30 -0500, Robert Haas wrote: [snip...] > > I'll stop here because I see that Stephen Frost has just sent an > insightful email on this topic as well. Hmm, maybe that's the Steve > you were referring to. > > ...Robert > Yea I never asked Stephen if he goes by Stephen or

Re: [HACKERS] SE-PostgreSQL/Lite Review

2009-12-11 Thread David P. Quigley
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 11:36 -0500, Stephen Frost wrote: [Snip...] > > > In addition, OS allows to choose one enhanced security at most eventually. > > > > In my image, the hook should be as: > > > > Value * > > ac_database_create([arguments ...]) > > { > > /* > >* The default

Re: [HACKERS] Adding support for SE-Linux security

2009-12-11 Thread David P. Quigley
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 11:16 -0500, Stephen Frost wrote: > David, > > * David P. Quigley (dpqu...@tycho.nsa.gov) wrote: > > So I downloaded and read through the PCI DSS document (74 pages is > > pretty light compared to NFSv4.1 hehe...) and There are several areas > >

Re: [HACKERS] Adding support for SE-Linux security

2009-12-11 Thread David P. Quigley
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 11:28 -0500, Stephen Frost wrote: [snip...] > > The main concern I hear is that people are worried that this is an > > SELinux specific design. I heard at the meeting on Wednesday that the > > Trusted Extensions people looked at the framework and said it meets > > their needs

Re: [HACKERS] Adding support for SE-Linux security

2009-12-11 Thread David P. Quigley
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:56 -0500, Stephen Frost wrote: [snip...] > I do assume we're going to do row level security, but I do not feel that > we need to particularly put one in front of the other. I also feel that > SEPG will be valuable even without row-level security. One of the > realms that

Re: [HACKERS] Adding support for SE-Linux security

2009-12-11 Thread David P. Quigley
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 09:32 -0500, Robert Haas wrote: > 2009/12/11 KaiGai Kohei : > > It tried to provide a set of comprehensive entry points to replace existing > > PG checks at once. > > However, the SE-PgSQL/Lite patch covers accesses on only database, schema, > > tables and columns. Is it neces

Re: [HACKERS] Adding support for SE-Linux security

2009-12-10 Thread David P. Quigley
On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 17:08 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > Robert Haas writes: > > Unlike Tom (I think), I do believe that there is demand (possibly only > > from a limited number of people, but demand all the same) for this > > feature. > > Please note that I do not think there is *zero* demand for th

Re: [HACKERS] Adding support for SE-Linux security

2009-12-08 Thread David P. Quigley
On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 16:51 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > Peter Eisentraut writes: > > PGACE wasn't a plugin system. It was an API inside the core code. If > > it had been a plugin system, this would have been much easier, because > > the plugin itself could have been developed independently. > > We

Re: [HACKERS] Adding support for SE-Linux security

2009-12-08 Thread David P. Quigley
On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 15:26 -0500, Robert Haas wrote: [snip...] > > I can say from experience that this project is very skeptical of > frameworks that aren't accompanied by at least one, and preferably > multiple, working implementations. So there is a bit of a chicken and > egg problem here. Wh

Re: [HACKERS] Adding support for SE-Linux security

2009-12-08 Thread David P. Quigley
On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 15:24 -0500, Stephen Frost wrote: > * Robert Haas (robertmh...@gmail.com) wrote: > > One of the major and fundamental stumbling blocks we've run into is > > that every solution we've looked at so far seems to involve adding > > SE-Linux-specific checks in many places in the co

Re: [HACKERS] Adding support for SE-Linux security

2009-12-08 Thread David P. Quigley
On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 14:22 -0500, Robert Haas wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > > Robert Haas writes: > >> One of the major and fundamental stumbling blocks we've run into is > >> that every solution we've looked at so far seems to involve adding > >> SE-Linux-specific c

Re: [HACKERS] Adding support for SE-Linux security

2009-12-08 Thread David P. Quigley
On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 11:48 -0500, Robert Haas wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:51 AM, David P. Quigley > wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 17:57 -0500, Robert Haas wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > >> > As Alvaro mentioned, t

Re: [HACKERS] Adding support for SE-Linux security

2009-12-08 Thread David P. Quigley
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 22:25 -0500, Greg Smith wrote: > David P. Quigley wrote: > > Not to start a flame war here about access control models but you gave 3 > > different examples one of which I don't think has any means to do > > anything productive here. > You won&