Re: [HACKERS] Multiple psql -c / -f options

2013-10-17 Thread Fabien COELHO
IMHO the current behavior is broken: decibel@decina:[17:46]~/pgsql/HEAD/i$bin/psql -c 'select 1' -c 'select 2' ?column? -- 2 (1 row) Another try with one -c but with similar results: sh> psql -c "SELECT 1; SELECT 'hello';" ?column? -- hello (1 row)

Re: [HACKERS] psql tab completion for updatable foreign tables

2013-10-17 Thread Dean Rasheed
On 17 October 2013 03:29, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 16:04 +, Dean Rasheed wrote: >> There was concern that pg_relation_is_updatable() would end up opening >> every relation in the database, hammering performance. I now realise >> that these tab-complete queries have a lim

Re: [HACKERS] ERROR : 'tuple concurrently updated'

2013-10-17 Thread Amit Kapila
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Stéphan BEUZE wrote: > The following query is performed concurrently by two threads logged in with > two different users: > > WITH raw_stat AS ( > SELECT >host(client_addr) as client_addr, >pid , >usename > FR

Re: [HACKERS] Turning recovery.conf into GUCs

2013-10-17 Thread Jaime Casanova
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: > Jaime, >> = Building = >> >> In pg_basebackup we have now 2 unused functions: >> escapeConnectionParameter and escape_quotes. the only use of these >> functions was when that tool created the recovery.conf file so they >> aren't needed anymore.

[HACKERS] Multiple psql -c / -f options

2013-10-17 Thread Jim Nasby
IMHO the current behavior is broken: decibel@decina:[17:46]~/pgsql/HEAD/i$bin/psql -c 'select 1' -c 'select 2' ?column? -- 2 (1 row) I would expect psql to either run both commands or throw an error. What I'd personally prefer is that psql execute -c and -f (and arguably -v) i

Re: [HACKERS] signed vs. unsigned in TYPEALIGN (was Re: space reserved for WAL record does not match what was written: panic on windows)

2013-10-17 Thread Andres Freund
On 2013-10-17 18:04:34 -0400, Noah Misch wrote: > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 08:27:01PM +0200, Andres Freund wrote: > > On 2013-10-17 12:33:45 -0400, Noah Misch wrote: > > > > 1. Is there any guarantee that sizeof(intptr_t) >= sizeof(size_t)? > > > > (Note that Size is just a typedef for size_t, in c.

[HACKERS] signed vs. unsigned in TYPEALIGN (was Re: space reserved for WAL record does not match what was written: panic on windows)

2013-10-17 Thread Noah Misch
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 08:27:01PM +0200, Andres Freund wrote: > On 2013-10-17 12:33:45 -0400, Noah Misch wrote: > > > 1. Is there any guarantee that sizeof(intptr_t) >= sizeof(size_t)? > > > (Note that Size is just a typedef for size_t, in c.h) > > > > C99 doesn't require it, but I have never hea

Re: [HACKERS] removing old ports and architectures

2013-10-17 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On 10/17/13 12:45 PM, Robert Haas wrote: > The attached patch, which I propose to apply relatively soon if nobody > objects, removes the IRIX port. +1 -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/p

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] pg_sleep(interval)

2013-10-17 Thread Vik Fearing
On 10/17/2013 06:59 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: > Our project has a serious, chronic problem with giving new > patch-submitters a bad experience, and this patch is a good example of > that. The ultimate result is that people go off to contribute to other > projects where submissions are easier and the

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] pg_sleep(interval)

2013-10-17 Thread Vik Fearing
On 10/17/2013 08:36 PM, Kevin Grittner wrote: > Josh Berkus wrote: > >> Our project has a serious, chronic problem with giving new >> patch-submitters a bad experience, and this patch is a good >> example of that. > Perhaps; but it has also been an example of the benefits of having > tight review.

Re: [HACKERS] Auto-tuning work_mem and maintenance_work_mem

2013-10-17 Thread Merlin Moncure
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Robert Haas wrote: > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: >> On 10/16/2013 01:25 PM, Andrew Dunstan wrote: >>> Andres has just been politely pointing out to me that my knowledge of >>> memory allocators is a little out of date (i.e. by a decade or t

Re: [HACKERS] Auto-tuning work_mem and maintenance_work_mem

2013-10-17 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On 10/17/2013 10:33 AM, Jeff Janes wrote: A lot. A whole lot, more than what most people have in production with more than that. You are forgetting a very large segment of the population who run... VMs. Why don't we just have 3 default config files: 2GB memory 4GB memo

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] pg_sleep(interval)

2013-10-17 Thread Kevin Grittner
Josh Berkus wrote: > Our project has a serious, chronic problem with giving new > patch-submitters a bad experience, and this patch is a good > example of that. Perhaps; but it has also been an example of the benefits of having tight review.  IMO, pg_sleep_for() and pg_sleep_until() are better t

[HACKERS] Re: space reserved for WAL record does not match what was written: panic on windows

2013-10-17 Thread Andres Freund
On 2013-10-17 12:33:45 -0400, Noah Misch wrote: > > But if we're bent on minimizing the use of 64-bit arithmetic on 32-bit > > systems, then presumably I should instead go back and retrofit that > > patch to use Size rather than uint64 to represent the size of a > > segment. But then I have two co

[HACKERS] Re: space reserved for WAL record does not match what was written: panic on windows

2013-10-17 Thread Robert Haas
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Noah Misch wrote: >> But if we're bent on minimizing the use of 64-bit arithmetic on 32-bit >> systems, then presumably I should instead go back and retrofit that >> patch to use Size rather than uint64 to represent the size of a >> segment. But then I have two c

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] pg_sleep(interval)

2013-10-17 Thread Robert Haas
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: > On 10/17/2013 10:01 AM, Robert Haas wrote: >> But if you're asking my opinion, I think doing it on the function >> level is a whole lot better and easier to get right. A flag like the >> one I mentioned here can be set for one particular funct

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] pg_sleep(interval)

2013-10-17 Thread Robert Haas
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: > Now, I do think the argument of "we don't really need pg_sleep(interval) > because it's trivial to do yourself" has some merit, and that would be a > good reason to argue acceptance or not. However, to date that has not > been the topic of di

Re: [HACKERS] Auto-tuning work_mem and maintenance_work_mem

2013-10-17 Thread Jeff Janes
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > On 10/17/2013 08:55 AM, Kevin Grittner wrote: > >> >> Robert Haas wrote: >> >> I still think my previous proposal of increasing the defaults for >>> work_mem and maintenance_work_mem by 4X would serve many more >>> people well than it w

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] pg_sleep(interval)

2013-10-17 Thread Josh Berkus
On 10/17/2013 10:01 AM, Robert Haas wrote: > But if you're asking my opinion, I think doing it on the function > level is a whole lot better and easier to get right. A flag like the > one I mentioned here can be set for one particular function with the > absolute certainty that behavior will not c

Re: [HACKERS] Auto-tuning work_mem and maintenance_work_mem

2013-10-17 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On 10/17/2013 09:49 AM, Robert Haas wrote: A lot. A whole lot, more than what most people have in production with more than that. You are forgetting a very large segment of the population who run... VMs. That's true, but are you actually arguing for keeping work_mem at 1MB? Even on a VM with

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] pg_sleep(interval)

2013-10-17 Thread Robert Haas
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: >> Obviously, the implicit casts are not for PostgreSQL and would be >> rightly rejected here, but I am not sure that the ability to prefer >> one function or operator over others in an overloading situation is >> such a bad idea. So far, our i

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] pg_sleep(interval)

2013-10-17 Thread Josh Berkus
Fabien, > My experience at trying to pass minor patches shows that the basic > behavior is conservatism. Maybe this is necessary to the stability of > the project, but this is really annoying for pretty small changes on > side tools, and I think that it tends to over-conservatism and ampers > good

Re: [HACKERS] Auto-tuning work_mem and maintenance_work_mem

2013-10-17 Thread Robert Haas
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On 10/17/2013 08:55 AM, Kevin Grittner wrote: >> Robert Haas wrote: >> >>> I still think my previous proposal of increasing the defaults for >>> work_mem and maintenance_work_mem by 4X would serve many more >>> people well than it would

Re: [HACKERS] Auto-tuning work_mem and maintenance_work_mem

2013-10-17 Thread Josh Berkus
JD, > A lot. A whole lot, more than what most people have in production with > more than that. You are forgetting a very large segment of the > population who run... VMs. Actually, even a "mini" AWS instance has 1GB of RAM. And nobody who uses a "micro" is going to expect it to perform well unde

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] pg_sleep(interval)

2013-10-17 Thread Josh Berkus
Robert, > Obviously, the implicit casts are not for PostgreSQL and would be > rightly rejected here, but I am not sure that the ability to prefer > one function or operator over others in an overloading situation is > such a bad idea. So far, our internal testing seems to show that it > works wel

Re: [HACKERS] removing old ports and architectures

2013-10-17 Thread Robert Haas
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote: > On 10/16/2013 07:04 PM, Robert Haas wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 8:46 PM, Andres Freund >> wrote: >>> I think we should remove support the following ports: >>> - IRIX >>> - UnixWare >>> - Tru64 >> >> According to http://en.wikip

[HACKERS] Re: space reserved for WAL record does not match what was written: panic on windows

2013-10-17 Thread Noah Misch
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 08:39:56AM -0400, Robert Haas wrote: > On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 1:14 AM, Noah Misch wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 03:23:30PM +0200, Andres Freund wrote: > >> On 2013-10-10 08:59:47 -0400, Robert Haas wrote: > >> > I'd be inclined to make the computation unconditionally

Re: [HACKERS] Auto-tuning work_mem and maintenance_work_mem

2013-10-17 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On 10/17/2013 08:55 AM, Kevin Grittner wrote: Robert Haas wrote: I still think my previous proposal of increasing the defaults for work_mem and maintenance_work_mem by 4X would serve many more people well than it would serve poorly. I haven't heard anyone disagree with that notion. Does an

Re: [HACKERS] Auto-tuning work_mem and maintenance_work_mem

2013-10-17 Thread Kevin Grittner
Robert Haas wrote: > I still think my previous proposal of increasing the defaults for > work_mem and maintenance_work_mem by 4X would serve many more > people well than it would serve poorly.  I haven't heard anyone > disagree with that notion.  Does anyone disagree?  Should we do > it? I think

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Rework SSL renegotiation code

2013-10-17 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Vik Fearing wrote: > On 09/23/2013 10:51 PM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > > + /* are we in the middle of a renegotiation? */ > > + static bool in_ssl_renegotiation = false; > > Since this was committed, I'm getting the following warning: > > be-secure.c:105:13: warning: ‘in_ssl_renegotiation’ defined

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] hstore_to_json: empty hstores must return empty json objects

2013-10-17 Thread Andrew Dunstan
On 10/17/2013 10:23 AM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: Oskari Saarenmaa wrote: @@ -1241,8 +1241,8 @@ hstore_to_json_loose(PG_FUNCTION_ARGS) if (count == 0) { - out = palloc(1); - *out = '\0'; + out = palloc(3); + memcpy(out, "{}", 3

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] hstore_to_json: empty hstores must return empty json objects

2013-10-17 Thread Oskari Saarenmaa
On 17/10/13 17:23, Alvaro Herrera wrote: Oskari Saarenmaa wrote: @@ -1241,8 +1241,8 @@ hstore_to_json_loose(PG_FUNCTION_ARGS) if (count == 0) { - out = palloc(1); - *out = '\0'; + out = palloc(3); + memcpy(out, "{}", 3);

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] hstore_to_json: empty hstores must return empty json objects

2013-10-17 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Oskari Saarenmaa wrote: > @@ -1241,8 +1241,8 @@ hstore_to_json_loose(PG_FUNCTION_ARGS) > > if (count == 0) > { > - out = palloc(1); > - *out = '\0'; > + out = palloc(3); > + memcpy(out, "{}", 3); > PG_RETURN_TEXT_P(cstring

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] pg_sleep(interval)

2013-10-17 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On 10/17/13 8:06 AM, Robert Haas wrote: > Actually, this could be fixed by having a way to declare one of the > overloaded functions as the preferred option and resolving ambiguous > calls in favor of the highest-priority function. In fact, > EnterpriseDB has added just such an option to Advanced

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] pg_sleep(interval)

2013-10-17 Thread Robert Haas
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Robert Haas escribió: >> Actually, this could be fixed by having a way to declare one of the >> overloaded functions as the preferred option and resolving ambiguous >> calls in favor of the highest-priority function. In fact, >> EnterpriseD

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] pg_sleep(interval)

2013-10-17 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Robert Haas escribió: > Actually, this could be fixed by having a way to declare one of the > overloaded functions as the preferred option and resolving ambiguous > calls in favor of the highest-priority function. In fact, > EnterpriseDB has added just such an option to Advanced Server 9.3, and >

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] pg_sleep(interval)

2013-10-17 Thread Fabien COELHO
Hello Vik, I have attached here an entirely new patch (new documentation and everything) that should please everyone. It no longer overloads pg_sleep(double precision) but instead add two new functions: * pg_sleep_for(interval) * pg_sleep_until(timestamp with time zone) Because it's no longe

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] hstore_to_json: empty hstores must return empty json objects

2013-10-17 Thread Andrew Dunstan
On 10/17/2013 08:20 AM, Robert Haas wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Oskari Saarenmaa wrote: hstore_to_json used to return an empty string for empty hstores, but that is not correct as an empty string is not valid json and calling row_to_json() on rows which have empty hstores will gen

Re: [HACKERS] Unitialized Values in record_image_cmp

2013-10-17 Thread Andres Freund
On 2013-10-17 08:16:58 -0500, Merlin Moncure wrote: > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Andres Freund wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Valgrind tells me: > > ==442828== Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s) > > ==442828==at 0x80084F: record_image_cmp (rowtypes.c:1521) > > ==442828==

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] hstore_to_json: empty hstores must return empty json objects

2013-10-17 Thread Merlin Moncure
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Robert Haas wrote: > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Oskari Saarenmaa wrote: >> hstore_to_json used to return an empty string for empty hstores, but >> that is not correct as an empty string is not valid json and calling >> row_to_json() on rows which have empty

Re: [HACKERS] Unitialized Values in record_image_cmp

2013-10-17 Thread Merlin Moncure
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Andres Freund wrote: > Hi, > > Valgrind tells me: > ==442828== Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s) > ==442828==at 0x80084F: record_image_cmp (rowtypes.c:1521) > ==442828==by 0x801522: btrecordimagecmp (rowtypes.c:1839) > ==442828==

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] pg_sleep(interval)

2013-10-17 Thread Vik Fearing
On 10/17/2013 02:42 PM, Robert Haas wrote: > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Vik Fearing wrote: >> On 10/17/2013 10:03 AM, Fabien COELHO wrote: >>> My guess is that it won't be committed if there is a single "but it >>> might break one code or surprise one user somewhere in the universe", >>> but

[HACKERS] Unitialized Values in record_image_cmp

2013-10-17 Thread Andres Freund
Hi, Valgrind tells me: ==442828== Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s) ==442828==at 0x80084F: record_image_cmp (rowtypes.c:1521) ==442828==by 0x801522: btrecordimagecmp (rowtypes.c:1839) ==442828==by 0x8C6604: comparison_shim (sortsupport.c:53) ==442828==by 0x

Re: [HACKERS] INSERT...ON DUPLICATE KEY LOCK FOR UPDATE

2013-10-17 Thread Robert Haas
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote: >> There could be >> other ways of avoiding that problem, though. Here's an example: >> >> UPSERT table (keycol1, ..., keycoln) = (keyval1, ..., keyvaln) SET >> (nonkeycol1, ..., nonkeycoln) = (nonkeyval1, ..., nonkeyvaln) >> >> That's prett

Re: [HACKERS] buildfarm failures on smew and anole

2013-10-17 Thread Andres Freund
On 2013-10-16 09:35:46 -0400, Robert Haas wrote: > Gah. I fixed one instance of that problem in test_config_settings(), > but missed the other. Maybe it'd be better to default to none, just as max_connections defaults to 1 and shared_buffers to 16? As we write out the value in the config file, ev

[HACKERS] Adding new syntax in postgre sql

2013-10-17 Thread ankit bhardwaj
I am new to postgre sql .And i want to add some new feature to postgresql As a startup i have taken the project to add syntax for table partitioning CREATE TABLE is modified to accept a PARTITION BY clause. This clause contains one or more partition declarations. The syntax is as follows: PARTITI

Re: [HACKERS] FDW API / flow charts for the docs?

2013-10-17 Thread Tomas Vondra
On 17 Říjen 2013, 5:32, Stephen Frost wrote: > Alvaro, > > * Alvaro Herrera (alvhe...@2ndquadrant.com) wrote: >> Tomas Vondra wrote: >> > Attached is the set of flow charts, showing the sequence of callbacks >> > for all the supported commands (i.e. SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE, DELETE, >> > ANALYZE). Wo

Re: [HACKERS] ERROR : 'tuple concurrently updated'

2013-10-17 Thread Stéphan BEUZE
> What PostgreSQL version is this? I'm using "Postgresql 9.2.4, compiled by Visual C++ build 1600, 64-bit" > Are there any triggers on any of these tables? There are no triggers. > Any noteworthy extensions installed? Here is the results returned by "select * from pg_available_extensions" name

Re: [HACKERS] INSERT...ON DUPLICATE KEY LOCK FOR UPDATE

2013-10-17 Thread Peter Geoghegan
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Robert Haas wrote: > Well, I don't know that any of us can claim to have a lock on what the > syntax should look like. Sure. But it's not just syntax. We're talking about functional differences too, since you're talking about mandating an update, which is a not th

Re: [HACKERS] INSERT...ON DUPLICATE KEY LOCK FOR UPDATE

2013-10-17 Thread Robert Haas
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Peter Geoghegan wrote: >> Again, other people can have different opinions on this, and that's >> fine. I'm just giving you mine. > > I will defer to the majority opinion here. But you also expressed > concern about surprising results due to the wrong unique const

Re: [HACKERS] INSERT...ON DUPLICATE KEY LOCK FOR UPDATE

2013-10-17 Thread Peter Geoghegan
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Robert Haas wrote: > I'm not saying "go implement MERGE". I'm saying, make the > insert-or-update operation a single statement, using some syntax TBD, > instead of requiring the use of a new insert statement that makes > invisible rows visible as a side effect, so

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] pg_sleep(interval)

2013-10-17 Thread Robert Haas
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Vik Fearing wrote: > On 10/17/2013 10:03 AM, Fabien COELHO wrote: >> My guess is that it won't be committed if there is a single "but it >> might break one code or surprise one user somewhere in the universe", >> but I wish I'll be proven wrong. IMO, "returned with

[HACKERS] Re: space reserved for WAL record does not match what was written: panic on windows

2013-10-17 Thread Robert Haas
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 1:14 AM, Noah Misch wrote: > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 03:23:30PM +0200, Andres Freund wrote: >> On 2013-10-10 08:59:47 -0400, Robert Haas wrote: >> > On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Andres Freund >> > wrote: >> > > Do you have a better alternative? Making the computation u

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] pg_sleep(interval)

2013-10-17 Thread Vik Fearing
On 10/17/2013 10:03 AM, Fabien COELHO wrote: > My guess is that it won't be committed if there is a single "but it > might break one code or surprise one user somewhere in the universe", > but I wish I'll be proven wrong. IMO, "returned with feedback" on a 1 > liner is really akin to "rejected". I

Re: [HACKERS] Auto-tuning work_mem and maintenance_work_mem

2013-10-17 Thread Robert Haas
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: > On 10/16/2013 01:25 PM, Andrew Dunstan wrote: >> Andres has just been politely pointing out to me that my knowledge of >> memory allocators is a little out of date (i.e. by a decade or two), and >> that this memory is not in fact likely to be h

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] hstore_to_json: empty hstores must return empty json objects

2013-10-17 Thread Robert Haas
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Oskari Saarenmaa wrote: > hstore_to_json used to return an empty string for empty hstores, but > that is not correct as an empty string is not valid json and calling > row_to_json() on rows which have empty hstores will generate invalid > json for the entire row.

Re: [HACKERS] ERROR : 'tuple concurrently updated'

2013-10-17 Thread Robert Haas
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Stéphan BEUZE wrote: > The following query is performed concurrently by two threads logged in with > two different users: > > WITH raw_stat AS ( > SELECT >host(client_addr) as client_addr, >pid , >usename > FR

Re: [HACKERS] removing old ports and architectures

2013-10-17 Thread Robert Haas
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Noah Misch wrote: > Removing support for alpha is a different animal compared to removing support > for non-gcc MIPS and most of the others in your list. A hacker wishing to > restore support for another MIPS compiler would fill in the assembly code > blanks, pro

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] pg_sleep(interval)

2013-10-17 Thread Robert Haas
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > On 10/16/13 2:40 PM, Robert Haas wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: >>> Also, as Tom pointed out, at some point we have to either say we really >>> support overloading or we don't. >> >> We clearly do support ov

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCH] pg_sleep(interval)

2013-10-17 Thread Fabien COELHO
Hello Vik, For: Josh, Stephen, me Against: Robert Neutral: Tom, you For the record, I'm not neutral, I'm *FOR*. I reviewed it and said that I think it is fine. But I'm still nobody here:-) My experience at trying to pass minor patches shows that the basic behavior is conservatism. Maybe t