Re: [HACKERS] OS X 7.4 failure

2005-11-16 Thread Tom Lane
"Jim C. Nasby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > http://pgbuildfarm.org/cgi-bin/show_log.pl?nm=cuckoo&dt=2005-11-15%2023:56:22 I took a closer look at this, and noticed something interesting: ccache gcc -no-cpp-precomp -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -g -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -b

Re: [HACKERS] [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Weekly News - November 13 2005

2005-11-16 Thread Oleg Bartunov
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, Robert Treat wrote: On Tuesday 15 November 2005 04:03, Teodor Sigaev wrote: Look at HEAD branch. Kaare Rasmussen wrote: David Fetter writes in PostgreSQL Weekly News - November 13 2005: Teodor Sigaev has been making lots of improvements to tsearch2, a full-text search en

Re: [HACKERS] tablespaces and non-empty directories

2005-11-16 Thread Tom Lane
Philip Yarra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This is because lost+found exists. Since lost+found would be a reasonably > common directory to find at a mount-point on Unix-like OSs*, would it make > sense for CREATE TABLESPACE to ignore it if present? No. There is no reason to use a volume's root

Re: [HACKERS] tablespaces and non-empty directories

2005-11-16 Thread Gavin Sherry
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Philip Yarra wrote: > I assume CREATE TABLESPACE refuses to use a non-empty directory because of the > risk of trashing existing files. Makes sense, but consider the following: Right, that was the reasoning. > > # mkfs -t ext2 /dev/sdc1 > # mount -t ext2 /dev/sdc1 /mnt/pg_ta

[HACKERS] tablespaces and non-empty directories

2005-11-16 Thread Philip Yarra
I assume CREATE TABLESPACE refuses to use a non-empty directory because of the risk of trashing existing files. Makes sense, but consider the following: # mkfs -t ext2 /dev/sdc1 # mount -t ext2 /dev/sdc1 /mnt/pg_tables # chown postgres /mnt/pg_tables # su -c psql pyarra pyarra=# CREATE TABLESPACE

[HACKERS] Call for sample databases

2005-11-16 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
Hi guys, I've set up a new sample databases project: http://pgfoundry.org/projects/dbsamples/ If any of you have sample databases (schema + data, pg_dump format) that you are willing to share under the BSD license, please send 'em to me so I can host them on the project. You might also find

Re: [HACKERS] [ANNOUNCE] PostgreSQL Weekly News - November 13 2005

2005-11-16 Thread Robert Treat
On Tuesday 15 November 2005 04:03, Teodor Sigaev wrote: > Look at HEAD branch. > > Kaare Rasmussen wrote: > > David Fetter writes in PostgreSQL Weekly News - November 13 2005: > >> Teodor Sigaev has been making lots of improvements to tsearch2, a > >> full-text search engine. > > > > I can't find t

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: make_restrictinfo() failed to attach the specified

2005-11-16 Thread Robert Treat
On Wednesday 16 November 2005 21:05, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > > >I've never been a fan of "regression tests" in the narrow sense of > > >"let's test for this specific mistake we made once". If you can devise > > >a test that catches a class of errors including the o

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: make_restrictinfo() failed to attach the specified

2005-11-16 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > >I've never been a fan of "regression tests" in the narrow sense of > >"let's test for this specific mistake we made once". If you can devise > >a test that catches a class of errors including the one you actually > >made, that's a different story, because it's muc

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: make_restrictinfo() failed to attach

2005-11-16 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
I've never been a fan of "regression tests" in the narrow sense of "let's test for this specific mistake we made once". If you can devise a test that catches a class of errors including the one you actually made, that's a different story, because it's much more likely to catch a real future probl

Re: [HACKERS] Some array semantics issues

2005-11-16 Thread Joe Conway
Greg Stark wrote: Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joe Conway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: First, the spec only allows arrays to have a lower bound of 1. That requirement simplifies a whole lot of things. I don't think that many people actually depend on other than 1 as a lower bound (or at

Re: [HACKERS] PANIC: could not locate a valid checkpoint record

2005-11-16 Thread Dave Cramer
Apparently the machine hung in between those two times. I don't have any specific information, I am debugging remotely over the phone. Dave On 16-Nov-05, at 5:21 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Dave Cramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Nov 16 18:03:32 dx1-ptr postgres[23410]: [4-1] LOG: shutting down

Re: [HACKERS] Some array semantics issues

2005-11-16 Thread Greg Stark
Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Joe Conway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > First, the spec only allows arrays to have a lower bound of 1. That > > requirement simplifies a whole lot of things. I don't think that many > > people actually depend on other than 1 as a lower bound (or at leas

Re: [HACKERS] PG_DUMP and table locking in PG7.4

2005-11-16 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Yann Michel wrote: > ... I guiess that the AUTOVACUUM switch only does an automated VACUUM > but no VACUUM FULL? Certainly. -- Alvaro Herrerahttp://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. ---(end of broadcast)

Re: [HACKERS] MERGE vs REPLACE

2005-11-16 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 04:51:07PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > daveg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I agree, but would like to relax the primary key requirement to simply > > a unique index. I can see use cases for unique so long as not null keys, > > so it would be nice if the MERGE operation would

Re: [HACKERS] PANIC: could not locate a valid checkpoint record

2005-11-16 Thread Tom Lane
Dave Cramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Nov 16 18:03:32 dx1-ptr postgres[23410]: [4-1] LOG: shutting down > Nov 16 18:03:35 dx1-ptr postgres[23410]: [5-1] LOG: database system > is shut down > Nov 16 18:21:18 dx1-ptr postgres[10884]: [1-1] LOG: could not create > IPv6 socket: Address famil

Re: [HACKERS] Some array semantics issues

2005-11-16 Thread Tom Lane
Joe Conway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > First, the spec only allows arrays to have a lower bound of 1. That > requirement simplifies a whole lot of things. I don't think that many > people actually depend on other than 1 as a lower bound (or at least if > they do, they weren't dumping and reloa

Re: [HACKERS] Some array semantics issues

2005-11-16 Thread Joe Conway
Tom Lane wrote: Greg Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Well, in that case what do you think about {{1,2},{3,4},{5,6},{7,8}} vs {{1,2,3,4},{5,6,7,8}} In the first case the first element is {1,2} and in the second case the first element is {1,2,3,4} so fro

Re: [HACKERS] MERGE vs REPLACE

2005-11-16 Thread Tom Lane
daveg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I agree, but would like to relax the primary key requirement to simply > a unique index. I can see use cases for unique so long as not null keys, > so it would be nice if the MERGE operation would work for these. As nulls > are not "equal" anyway this doesn't see

Re: [HACKERS] MERGE vs REPLACE

2005-11-16 Thread daveg
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 09:49:28AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > I think we should do REPLACE-like functionality that simply fails if the > match condition isn't equality on a primary key. If we can use SQL-spec > MERGE syntax for this, that's fine, but let's not think in terms of > silently changing t

Re: [HACKERS] MERGE vs REPLACE

2005-11-16 Thread Rick Gigger
Conceptually, a MERGE statement is just a long string of INSERTs and UPDATEs in the same transaction and I think we should treat it as such. I've just got one question about this. Everyone seems to be saying that "try to insert and if that fails update" is the same as "try to insert and i

[HACKERS] PANIC: could not locate a valid checkpoint record

2005-11-16 Thread Dave Cramer
Other than backing up $PGDATA and running pg_resetxlog Is there any advice ? Dave Nov 16 18:03:30 dx1-ptr postgres[22337]: [6-2] '2005-11-16 17:47:31' Nov 16 18:03:32 dx1-ptr postgres[29335]: [2-1] LOG: received fast shutdown request Nov 16 18:03:32 dx1-ptr postgres[29335]: [3-1] LOG: abor

Re: [HACKERS] Some array semantics issues

2005-11-16 Thread Tom Lane
David Fetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 03:03:53PM -0500, Greg Stark wrote: >> It occurs to me that it would also make sense to have an operator >> that considered the arrays in an order-insensitive comparison. > That sounds more like the SQL:2003 MULTISET, which is ess

Re: [HACKERS] Some array semantics issues

2005-11-16 Thread David Fetter
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 03:03:53PM -0500, Greg Stark wrote: > > Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I could go for a separate operator that has the current behavior > > (might as well ignore number of dimensions too, if we're going to > > ignore bounds). Any thoughts about the operator na

Re: [HACKERS] Some array semantics issues

2005-11-16 Thread Tom Lane
Greg Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Well, in that case what do you think about >> {{1,2},{3,4},{5,6},{7,8}} >> vs >> {{1,2,3,4},{5,6,7,8}} > In the first case the first element is {1,2} and in the second case the first > element is {1,2,3,4} so from my

Re: [HACKERS] Some array semantics issues

2005-11-16 Thread Greg Stark
Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, in that case what do you think about > {{1,2},{3,4},{5,6},{7,8}} > vs > {{1,2,3,4},{5,6,7,8}} In the first case the first element is {1,2} and in the second case the first element is {1,2,3,4} so from my point of view there's no way these a

Re: [HACKERS] PG_DUMP and table locking in PG7.4

2005-11-16 Thread Yann Michel
Hi, On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 10:07:24AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > Yann Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Well, now that I'm thinking about, what you've written I think this is > > exactly the point. I think, that there is a VACUUM waiting for the dump > > to finish whereas the INSERTS are waiti

Re: [HACKERS] PG_DUMP and table locking in PG7.4

2005-11-16 Thread Yann Michel
Hi Martijn, On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 09:47:33AM +0100, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > > Ah yes, PostgreSQL doesn't use 2PL, it uses MVCC. quick overview here: > http://linuxgazette.net/issue68/mitchell.html THX! That was interesting! > > Thanks. BTW: Is there anything about locks and their mean

Re: [HACKERS] Some array semantics issues

2005-11-16 Thread Tom Lane
Greg Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I could go for a separate operator that has the current behavior >> (might as well ignore number of dimensions too, if we're going to >> ignore bounds). Any thoughts about the operator name? > Well to me these are tw

Re: [HACKERS] forcing returned values to be binary

2005-11-16 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 13:01:20 -0500, Dave Cramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've talked to Ken Geis via email. He suggests that there is > considerable overhead to be saved if we go to binary; especially in > date, and timestamp fields > > One thing though if the date is 64 bit instead

Re: [HACKERS] Some array semantics issues

2005-11-16 Thread Greg Stark
Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I could go for a separate operator that has the current behavior > (might as well ignore number of dimensions too, if we're going to > ignore bounds). Any thoughts about the operator name? Well to me these are two different cases. At least the way I see it

Re: [HACKERS] Some array semantics issues

2005-11-16 Thread Tom Lane
Greg Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > And changing that would make it harder to test just the contents of the array > without having to match bounds as well. Fair point, but currently it's impossible to make a comparison that *does* consider the bounds, which one would think would be the ordina

Re: [HACKERS] MERGE vs REPLACE

2005-11-16 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 11:06:15AM -0800, Dann Corbit wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:pgsql-hackers- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Riggs > > > Conceptually, a MERGE statement is just a long string of INSERTs and > > > UPDATEs in the same transact

Re: [HACKERS] MERGE vs REPLACE

2005-11-16 Thread Dann Corbit
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:pgsql-hackers- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Riggs > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:35 AM > To: Martijn van Oosterhout > Cc: Bruce Momjian; Rick Gigger; Tom Lane; Christopher Kings-Lynne; Jim C. > Nasby; josh@agliodbs.co

Re: [HACKERS] Some array semantics issues

2005-11-16 Thread Greg Stark
Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > regression=# select '[0:2]={1,2,3}'::int[] = '{1,2,3}'::int[]; > ?column? > -- > t > (1 row) > > regression=# select '{1,2,3,4}'::int[] = '{{1,2},{3,4}}'::int[]; > ?column? > -- > t > (1 row) > > This seems pretty bogus as well. The

Re: [HACKERS] MERGE vs REPLACE

2005-11-16 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 12:59:36PM -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > > The bit I'm still missing is why there needs to be a lock at all. The > > SQL standard doesn't say anywhere that concurrent MERGE operations > > can't conflict. It seems to me that standard visibility

Re: [HACKERS] MERGE vs REPLACE

2005-11-16 Thread Simon Riggs
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 18:34 +0100, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 11:37:46AM -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > Interesting approach. Actually, we could tell the user they have to use > > BEGIN;LOCK tab before doing MERGE, and throw an error if we don't > > already have

Re: [HACKERS] Heading to Mexico

2005-11-16 Thread Simon Riggs
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 13:09 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > I leaving for Mexico in a few hours to speak at a conference. I return > on Monday. > > Is it helpful to tell hackers when I am not around? I was in NYC last > week for four days and didn't publicize it. Of course, I didn't finish > my b

[HACKERS] Heading to Mexico

2005-11-16 Thread Bruce Momjian
I leaving for Mexico in a few hours to speak at a conference. I return on Monday. Is it helpful to tell hackers when I am not around? I was in NYC last week for four days and didn't publicize it. Of course, I didn't finish my backlog of email until yesterday. I guess the question is whether my

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: make_restrictinfo() failed to attach the specified

2005-11-16 Thread Tom Lane
Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I wonder if there should be regression tests for all the bugs exposed > after 8.1 ... I mean, what stops anyone from introducing the same bugs > again? I've never been a fan of "regression tests" in the narrow sense of "let's test for this specific mist

Re: [HACKERS] MERGE vs REPLACE

2005-11-16 Thread Bruce Momjian
Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: -- Start of PGP signed section. > On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 11:37:46AM -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > Interesting approach. Actually, we could tell the user they have to use > > BEGIN;LOCK tab before doing MERGE, and throw an error if we don't > > already have a t

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: make_restrictinfo() failed to attach the specified

2005-11-16 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Tom Lane wrote: > Log Message: > --- > make_restrictinfo() failed to attach the specified required_relids to > its result when the clause was an OR clause. Brain fade exposed by > example from Sebastian B?ck. I wonder if there should be regression tests for all the bugs exposed after 8.1

[HACKERS] Some array semantics issues

2005-11-16 Thread Tom Lane
While hacking on the nulls-in-arrays addition, I noticed a couple of behaviors that seem a bit bogus to me. First, array slicing returns NULL any time the requested slice falls completely outside the array bounds. For instance regression=# select ('{1,2,3}'::int[])[2:4]; int4 --- {2,3} (1

Re: [HACKERS] MERGE vs REPLACE

2005-11-16 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 11:37:46AM -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Interesting approach. Actually, we could tell the user they have to use > BEGIN;LOCK tab before doing MERGE, and throw an error if we don't > already have a table lock. The bit I'm still missing is why there needs to be a lock at

Re: [HACKERS] OS X 7.4 failure

2005-11-16 Thread Tom Lane
"Jim C. Nasby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:13]~/buildfarm/source:39%otool -L `which perl` > /opt/local/bin/perl: > /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current > version 71.1.3) These aren't particularly relevant: you need to look at the shared libr

Re: [HACKERS] OS X 7.4 failure

2005-11-16 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 11:50:51AM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > "Jim C. Nasby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I do have perl, python, tcl and nls enabled, could one of them > > be trying to pull libssl and libcrypto in for some reason? > > Perhaps --- try "otool -L" (local equivalent of ldd) on them

Re: [HACKERS] MERGE vs REPLACE

2005-11-16 Thread Bruce Momjian
Jaime Casanova wrote: > On 11/16/05, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > Interesting approach. Actually, we could tell the user they have to use > > BEGIN;LOCK tab before doing MERGE, and throw an error if we don't > > already have a table lock. > > > > If the lock will be required, what's the problem

Re: [HACKERS] MERGE vs REPLACE

2005-11-16 Thread Tom Lane
Jaime Casanova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If the lock will be required, what's the problem in doing it > internally? I already explained that: lock upgrading is deadlock-prone. regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- T

Re: [HACKERS] MERGE vs REPLACE

2005-11-16 Thread Jaime Casanova
On 11/16/05, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Interesting approach. Actually, we could tell the user they have to use > BEGIN;LOCK tab before doing MERGE, and throw an error if we don't > already have a table lock. > If the lock will be required, what's the problem in doing it internally? without user i

Re: [HACKERS] OS X 7.4 failure

2005-11-16 Thread Tom Lane
"Jim C. Nasby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I do have perl, python, tcl and nls enabled, could one of them > be trying to pull libssl and libcrypto in for some reason? Perhaps --- try "otool -L" (local equivalent of ldd) on them to find out. regards, tom lane ---

Re: [HACKERS] question about count(b) where b is a custom type

2005-11-16 Thread Grzegorz Jaskiewicz
Yes, sorry for the mess. The problem was somewhere else (not quite well written log procedure issuing conversion used for logging, even tho log was off). -- GJ "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called Research, would it?" - AE ---(end of broadcas

Re: [HACKERS] MERGE vs REPLACE

2005-11-16 Thread Bruce Momjian
Interesting approach. Actually, we could tell the user they have to use BEGIN;LOCK tab before doing MERGE, and throw an error if we don't already have a table lock. --- Rick Gigger wrote: > I agree. I would never ever ever

Re: [HACKERS] MERGE vs REPLACE

2005-11-16 Thread Jaime Casanova
> You could also just add something to the merge syntax like ALLOW > TABLE LOCK or something. The idea is just that the user can > explicitly allow the table lock and thus the more complicated merge. > The problem here is that many people will see that option and think it's safe to do it... i mea

Re: [HACKERS] OS X 7.4 failure

2005-11-16 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 10:27:06PM -0600, Jim C. Nasby wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 11:04:59PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > > "Jim C. Nasby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > So the recent thread about getting 7.4 compiling on OS X inspired me. > > > But what I can't understand is that I've yanked

Re: [HACKERS] MERGE vs REPLACE

2005-11-16 Thread Rick Gigger
I agree. I would never ever ever want it to silently start doing table locks. I would simply avoid using merge at all if that was a possibility. However it seems like the idea is to eventually flesh out full fledged merge. And to do that it sounds like you would need to do one of the f

Re: [HACKERS] OS X 7.4 failure

2005-11-16 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Tom Lane wrote: Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Tom Lane wrote: "Jim C. Nasby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: So the recent thread about getting 7.4 compiling on OS X inspired me. But what I can't understand is that I've yanked --with-ssl, but it's still looking for l

Re: [HACKERS] OS X 7.4 failure

2005-11-16 Thread Tom Lane
Andrew Dunstan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Tom Lane wrote: >> "Jim C. Nasby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> So the recent thread about getting 7.4 compiling on OS X inspired me. >>> But what I can't understand is that I've yanked --with-ssl, but it's >>> still looking for libssl: >> Tad hard to

Re: [HACKERS] question about count(b) where b is a custom type

2005-11-16 Thread Tom Lane
Grzegorz Jaskiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have few fprintf(stderr,""") in function that converts internal > rep. into string. I was really supprised to see them on me screen when : > select count(b) from blah where b ~ 'something'; > was issued. What the hell, isn't it wrong ? Depends

Re: [HACKERS] PG_DUMP and table locking in PG7.4

2005-11-16 Thread Tom Lane
Yann Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, now that I'm thinking about, what you've written I think this is > exactly the point. I think, that there is a VACUUM waiting for the dump > to finish whereas the INSERTS are waiting for the VACUUM to finish. Only if it's a VACUUM FULL ... plain VACU

Re: [HACKERS] OS X 7.4 failure

2005-11-16 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Tom Lane wrote: "Jim C. Nasby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: So the recent thread about getting 7.4 compiling on OS X inspired me. But what I can't understand is that I've yanked --with-ssl, but it's still looking for libssl: Tad hard to believe. Maybe you missed a "make distclean" o

Re: [HACKERS] MERGE vs REPLACE

2005-11-16 Thread Tom Lane
Christopher Kings-Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> We should probably throw a notice or warning if we go to a table lock, >> too. > That's not very useful, because you can only do somethign about it AFTER > the 1 hour exclusive lock merge has already run :) We shouldn't do anything remotely

Re: [HACKERS] PG_DUMP and table locking in PG7.4

2005-11-16 Thread Rod Taylor
> I'm asking, because we have a bigger datawarehouse and dump the data for > a backup every night. Unfortunately, the backup now takes realy long. You may want to consider upgrading and using PITR backups instead. They can be much faster to both backup and to restore if something goes wrong. --

Re: [HACKERS] question about count(b) where b is a custom type

2005-11-16 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Pollard, Mike schrieb: If count() convert to a string (an assumption that Martijn has cast into doubt, or perhaps shredded), then rather than convert all non-nulls that are not a string into a string, I was proposing converting the values into an int with the values 0 or 1 (0 means that row was

Re: [HACKERS] bind variables, soft vs hard parse

2005-11-16 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
Martijn van Oosterhout writes: > Unless you use something like pgpool, in which case a single session > may include multiple requests. Actually, I've found pgpool to be no better when it comes to using real prepared queries---there's no guarantee that any given request is going to connect to the

Re: [HACKERS] question about count(b) where b is a custom type

2005-11-16 Thread Pollard, Mike
If count() convert to a string (an assumption that Martijn has cast into doubt, or perhaps shredded), then rather than convert all non-nulls that are not a string into a string, I was proposing converting the values into an int with the values 0 or 1 (0 means that row was null for that column, 1

Re: [HACKERS] question about count(b) where b is a custom type

2005-11-16 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 08:28:28AM -0500, Pollard, Mike wrote: > Details, details. But there is a valid general question here, and > changing the semantics of the query will not address it. When doing a > count(col), why convert col into a string just so you can determine if > it is null or not?

Re: [HACKERS] question about count(b) where b is a custom type

2005-11-16 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Pollard, Mike schrieb: Richard Huxton wrote: Pollard, Mike wrote: Firstly, if you just want a count, what's wrong with count(1) or count(*). Because unless the column does not allow nulls, they will not return the same value. Ah, but in the example given the column was being matched

Re: [HACKERS] question about count(b) where b is a custom type

2005-11-16 Thread Pollard, Mike
Richard Huxton wrote: > Pollard, Mike wrote: > >>Firstly, if you just want a count, what's wrong with count(1) or > >>count(*). > >> > > > > > > Because unless the column does not allow nulls, they will not return the > > same value. > > Ah, but in the example given the column was being matched ag

Re: [HACKERS] question about count(b) where b is a custom type

2005-11-16 Thread Richard Huxton
Pollard, Mike wrote: Firstly, if you just want a count, what's wrong with count(1) or count(*). Because unless the column does not allow nulls, they will not return the same value. Ah, but in the example given the column was being matched against a value, so nulls were already excluded.

Re: [HACKERS] question about count(b) where b is a custom type

2005-11-16 Thread Pollard, Mike
> Firstly, if you just want a count, what's wrong with count(1) or > count(*). > Because unless the column does not allow nulls, they will not return the same value. Mike Pollard SUPRA Server SQL Engineering and Support Cincom Systems, Inc. Better to remain silen

Re: [HACKERS] question about count(b) where b is a custom type

2005-11-16 Thread Hannu Krosing
On K, 2005-11-16 at 10:05 +0100, Grzegorz Jaskiewicz wrote: > Hi folks > > We're developing here gist index (which works finally, and I remember > about writing some docs about it). > I have few fprintf(stderr,""") in function that converts internal > rep. into string. I was really supprised t

Re: [HACKERS] question about count(b) where b is a custom type

2005-11-16 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 10:05:36AM +0100, Grzegorz Jaskiewicz wrote: > Hi folks > > We're developing here gist index (which works finally, and I remember > about writing some docs about it). > I have few fprintf(stderr,""") in function that converts internal > rep. into string. I was really su

Re: [HACKERS] Reproducable deadlock situation (possibly with foreign keys)

2005-11-16 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Mario Weilguni wrote: > Ok, this my fault, and you're right. > > I took the query from the error messages (a 8.0.3 DB) and applied it to a 8.1 > DB on a testing system without thinking too much. > > Still I think reordering those queries might prevent a deadlock. Well, if we could reorder them,

[HACKERS] question about count(b) where b is a custom type

2005-11-16 Thread Grzegorz Jaskiewicz
Hi folks We're developing here gist index (which works finally, and I remember about writing some docs about it). I have few fprintf(stderr,""") in function that converts internal rep. into string. I was really supprised to see them on me screen when : select count(b) from blah where b ~ 'so

Re: [HACKERS] Reproducable deadlock situation (possibly with foreign keys)

2005-11-16 Thread Mario Weilguni
Ok, this my fault, and you're right. I took the query from the error messages (a 8.0.3 DB) and applied it to a 8.1 DB on a testing system without thinking too much. Still I think reordering those queries might prevent a deadlock. Best regards Am Mittwoch, 16. November 2005 12:21 schrieb Alvaro

Re: [HACKERS] Reproducable deadlock situation (possibly with foreign keys)

2005-11-16 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Mario Weilguni wrote: Hi, > T1: BEGIN; > T2: BEGIN; > -- these are the queries similar to those from the foreign key code > T1: SELECT 1 FROM ONLY lookup1 x WHERE "id" = 1 FOR UPDATE OF x; > T2: SELECT 1 FROM ONLY lookup2 x WHERE "id" = 3 FOR UPDATE OF x; > T1: SELECT 1 FROM ONLY lookup2 x WHERE

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Translation typo fix

2005-11-16 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Am Dienstag, 15. November 2005 00:01 schrieb Alvaro Herrera: > > Good question. Peter, is pgtranslation supposed to be the primary > > source of translations? > > Yes, and more importantly, your changes will get overwritten by pgtranslation. Ok, I'll update it too and m

[HACKERS] Reproducable deadlock situation (possibly with foreign keys)

2005-11-16 Thread Mario Weilguni
I've a problem occurring daily for me, I get quite a few deadlocks every day, and the concurrency is not so high. Happens with postgresql 8.0 and 8.1. as well... Here's a self-contained testcase, which I think it might be the problem I have in our production database. While it might be some sor

Re: [HACKERS] Long-time 7.4 contrib failure Mac OS X 10.3.8

2005-11-16 Thread Michael Glaesemann
On Nov 16, 2005, at 15:37 , Michael Glaesemann wrote: I'm using per-branch configurations, but missed HEAD. I'll get that fixed. Thanks for the catch. Back to normal: http://pgbuildfarm.org/cgi-bin/show_log.pl?nm=wallaroo&dt=2005-11-16% 2009:12:09 Michael Glaesemann grzm myrealbox com

Re: [HACKERS] bind variables, soft vs hard parse

2005-11-16 Thread Marcus Engene
Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: But this is of no use in a web-context. According to the docs, this prepare is per session. Unless you use something like pgpool, in which case a single session may include multiple requests. ok. Good point. This sql cache I think is a really good thing. Is the

Re: [HACKERS] bind variables, soft vs hard parse

2005-11-16 Thread Marcus Engene
Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > Oracle recently gave some money to Zend to make proper Oracle support > for PHP. In that interface they use bind variables. Apart from greater > speed, sqlinjection becomes history as well. I did the same for PostgreSQL for PHP 5.1. http://

Re: [HACKERS] bind variables, soft vs hard parse

2005-11-16 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 09:56:44AM +0100, Marcus Engene wrote: > Douglas McNaught wrote: > >You can do this (or close to it) but you need to explicitly PREPARE > >the query (or use the protocol-level prepare, which some client > >libraries will do for you). See the SQL documentation for PREPARE. >

Re: [HACKERS] bind variables, soft vs hard parse

2005-11-16 Thread Marcus Engene
Douglas McNaught wrote: Which will be the same as the second call. There is quite a big difference in performance using bind variables. Does Postgres work the same? Where can I go for more info? You can do this (or close to it) but you need to explicitly PREPARE the query (or use the protocol-

Re: [HACKERS] PG_DUMP and table locking in PG7.4

2005-11-16 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 09:27:55AM +0100, Yann Michel wrote: > On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 08:28:31AM +0100, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 08:09:31AM +0100, Yann Michel wrote: > > > Well, thanks for all the answers. Are the locks then released once they > > > are not needed

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Translation typo fix

2005-11-16 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Am Dienstag, 15. November 2005 00:01 schrieb Alvaro Herrera: > Good question. Peter, is pgtranslation supposed to be the primary > source of translations? Yes, and more importantly, your changes will get overwritten by pgtranslation. ---(end of broadcast)-

Re: [HACKERS] PG_DUMP and table locking in PG7.4

2005-11-16 Thread Yann Michel
Hi, first of all, thanks to all, that replied! On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 08:28:31AM +0100, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 08:09:31AM +0100, Yann Michel wrote: > > Well, thanks for all the answers. Are the locks then released once they > > are not needed any more like in 2PC