Re: [HACKERS] Fw: Missing file from CVS?

2002-11-21 Thread Bruce Momjian
Your patch has been added to the PostgreSQL unapplied patches list at: http://momjian.postgresql.org/cgi-bin/pgpatches I will try to apply it within the next 48 hours. --- Al Sutton wrote: > Heres a patch which wi

Re: [HACKERS] nested transactions

2002-11-21 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I am going to work on nested transactions for 7.4. > > [some details] > > This is, of course, barely scratching the surface of what will need to > be done. > > I assume you've abandoned the notion of a fast release cycle for 7.4? > '

Re: [HACKERS] nested transactions

2002-11-21 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I am going to work on nested transactions for 7.4. > [some details] This is, of course, barely scratching the surface of what will need to be done. I assume you've abandoned the notion of a fast release cycle for 7.4? 'Cause if you start on this, we ain

Re: [HACKERS] pg_stat_database shows userid as OID

2002-11-21 Thread Bruce Momjian
Does anyone want userid to be an OID? Peter? Anyone? If not, I will add it to the TODO list or work on the patch myself. --- Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Tom Lane wrote: > >> I'd recomme

[HACKERS] nested transactions

2002-11-21 Thread Bruce Momjian
I am going to work on nested transactions for 7.4. My goal is to first implement nested transactions: BEGIN; SELECT ... BEGIN; UPDATE; COMMIT; DELETE; COMMIT; and later savepoints (Oracle): BEGIN; SELECT ... SAVEPO

Re: [HACKERS] bug in pg_dumpall 7.3

2002-11-21 Thread Tom Lane
"Christopher Kings-Lynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Do this: > create database "adsf asdf"; > Then to a pg_dumpall and you get this: > \connect "adsf asdf" > pg_dump: too many command line options (first is 'asdf') Good catch --- fixed. regards, tom lane ---

Re: [HACKERS] Optimizer & boolean syntax

2002-11-21 Thread Tom Lane
Daniele Orlandi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The problem is the opposite... so, effectively, seems that the optimizer > considers "monitored" and "monitored=true" as two different expressions... Check. > The viceversa is analog and we also can see that the syntax "monitored > is true" is consi

[HACKERS] bug in pg_dumpall 7.3

2002-11-21 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
Do this: create database "adsf asdf"; Then to a pg_dumpall and you get this: \connect "adsf asdf" pg_dump: too many command line options (first is 'asdf') Try 'pg_dump --help' for more information. pg_dumpall: pg_dump failed on adsf asdf, exiting LOG: pq_recvbuf: unexpected EOF on client connec

Re: [HACKERS] Optimizer & boolean syntax

2002-11-21 Thread Daniele Orlandi
Stephan Szabo wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Daniele Orlandi wrote: Are those two syntaxes eqivalent ? select * from users where monitored; select * from users where monitored=true; If the answer is yes, the optimimer probably doesn't agree with you :) That depends on the definition of equiva

Re: [HACKERS] Optimizer & boolean syntax

2002-11-21 Thread Stephan Szabo
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > > > > "col" isn't of the general form "indexkey op constant" or "constant op > > > > indexkey" which I presume it's looking for given the comments in > > > > indxpath.c. I'm not sure what the best way to make it work would be > given > > > >

Re: [HACKERS] Optimizer & boolean syntax

2002-11-21 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
> > > "col" isn't of the general form "indexkey op constant" or "constant op > > > indexkey" which I presume it's looking for given the comments in > > > indxpath.c. I'm not sure what the best way to make it work would be given > > > that presumably we'd want to make col IS TRUE/FALSE use an index

Re: [HACKERS] Optimizer & boolean syntax

2002-11-21 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
> > Not that I see the point of indexing booleans, but hey :) > > If one of the values is much more infrequent than the other, you can > probably get a substantial win using a partial index, can't you? Yes, I thought of the partial index after I wrote that email :) Chris -

Re: [HACKERS] Optimizer & boolean syntax

2002-11-21 Thread scott.marlowe
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > > > I think his point is that they _should_ be equivalent. Surely there's > > > something in the optimiser that discards '=true' stuff, like 'a=a' > should be > > > discarded? > > > > I figure that's what he meant, but it isn't what was said.

Re: [HACKERS] Optimizer & boolean syntax

2002-11-21 Thread scott.marlowe
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > > > I think his point is that they _should_ be equivalent. Surely there's > > > something in the optimiser that discards '=true' stuff, like 'a=a' > should be > > > discarded? > > > > I figure that's what he meant, but it isn't what was said.

Re: [HACKERS] Optimizer & boolean syntax

2002-11-21 Thread Alvaro Herrera
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 02:45:34PM -0800, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > > > I think his point is that they _should_ be equivalent. Surely there's > > > something in the optimiser that discards '=true' stuff, like 'a=a' > should be > > > discarded? > Not that I see the point of indexing boolean

Re: [HACKERS] Optimizer & boolean syntax

2002-11-21 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
> > I think his point is that they _should_ be equivalent. Surely there's > > something in the optimiser that discards '=true' stuff, like 'a=a' should be > > discarded? > > I figure that's what he meant, but it isn't what was said. ;) > > "col" isn't of the general form "indexkey op constant" or

Re: [HACKERS] Optimizer & boolean syntax

2002-11-21 Thread Stephan Szabo
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > > > Are those two syntaxes eqivalent ? > > > > > > select * from users where monitored; > > > select * from users where monitored=true; > > > > > > If the answer is yes, the optimimer probably doesn't agree with you :) > > > > That depends on

Re: [HACKERS] Optimizer & boolean syntax

2002-11-21 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
> > Are those two syntaxes eqivalent ? > > > > select * from users where monitored; > > select * from users where monitored=true; > > > > If the answer is yes, the optimimer probably doesn't agree with you :) > > That depends on the definition of equivalent. They presumably give the > same answer

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] Bug with sequence

2002-11-21 Thread scott.marlowe
On 21 Nov 2002, Rod Taylor wrote: > On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 15:09, scott.marlowe wrote: > > On 21 Nov 2002, Rod Taylor wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 14:11, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > Of course, those would be SQL purists who _don't_ understand > > > > concurrency issues. ;-) > > > > >

Re: [HACKERS] Optimizer & boolean syntax

2002-11-21 Thread Stephan Szabo
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Daniele Orlandi wrote: > Are those two syntaxes eqivalent ? > > select * from users where monitored; > select * from users where monitored=true; > > If the answer is yes, the optimimer probably doesn't agree with you :) That depends on the definition of equivalent. They pres

Re: [HACKERS] Optimizer & boolean syntax

2002-11-21 Thread Robert Treat
Using the famous WAG tech, in your first query the optimizer has to evaluate monitored for each record to determine its value. Robert Treat On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 13:39, Daniele Orlandi wrote: > > Are those two syntaxes eqivalent ? > > select * from users where monitored; > select * from users w

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] Bug with sequence

2002-11-21 Thread Rod Taylor
On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 15:09, scott.marlowe wrote: > On 21 Nov 2002, Rod Taylor wrote: > > > On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 14:11, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > Of course, those would be SQL purists who _don't_ understand > > > concurrency issues. ;-) > > > > Or they're the kind that locks the entire table f

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] Bug with sequence

2002-11-21 Thread scott.marlowe
On 21 Nov 2002, Rod Taylor wrote: > On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 14:11, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Of course, those would be SQL purists who _don't_ understand > > concurrency issues. ;-) > > Or they're the kind that locks the entire table for any given insert. Isn't that what Bruce just said? ;^) --

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] Bug with sequence

2002-11-21 Thread Tom Lane
"Thomas O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It seems worth pointing out, too, that some SQL purists propose not > relying on product-specific methods of auto-incrementing. > I.e., it is possible to do something like: > insert into foo( col, ... ) > values( coalesce( ( select max( col ) from f

Re: [HACKERS] xBSD shmem doc deficiency

2002-11-21 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
Hi Neil, > However, the FreeBSD box I'm playing with isn't mine, so I'm not too > keen to change sysctls (well, that and I don't have root :-) ). Would > a kind BSD user confirm that: > > (a) the sysctls above *can* be used to change kernel shared > memory settings, and the def

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] Bug with sequence

2002-11-21 Thread Rod Taylor
On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 14:11, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Of course, those would be SQL purists who _don't_ understand > concurrency issues. ;-) Or they're the kind that locks the entire table for any given insert. -- Rod Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ---(end of broadcast)-

Re: [HACKERS] Why an array in pg_group?

2002-11-21 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tom Lane wrote: > > I have trouble implementing a way to easily check whether a user is part > > of a group. > > Perhaps you could create a table that has no purpose except to be a > permissions-check target, and set it up to have permissions granted only > to the group you care about. Then use h

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] Bug with sequence

2002-11-21 Thread Bruce Momjian
Oliver Elphick wrote: > I deleted the first table. The sequence was deleted too, leaving the > default of the second table referring to a non-existent sequence. > > > Could this be a TODO item in 7.4, to add a dependency check when a > sequence is set as the default without being created at the

Re: [HACKERS] Error when comparing an integer to an empty string.

2002-11-21 Thread Tom Lane
Louis-David Mitterrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The point David was trying to make is: > with 7.2: > template1=# select 1 = ''; >?column? > -- >f > (1 row) > with 7.3rc1: > template1=# select 1 = ''; > ERROR: pg_atoi: zero-length string

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] Bug with sequence

2002-11-21 Thread Bruce Momjian
Of course, those would be SQL purists who _don't_ understand concurrency issues. ;-) --- Thomas O'Connell wrote: > It seems worth pointing out, too, that some SQL purists propose not > relying on product-specific methods o

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] Bug with sequence

2002-11-21 Thread Thomas O'Connell
It seems worth pointing out, too, that some SQL purists propose not relying on product-specific methods of auto-incrementing. I.e., it is possible to do something like: insert into foo( col, ... ) values( coalesce( ( select max( col ) from foo ), 0 ) + 1, ... ); and this is easily placed in a t

[HACKERS] Optimizer & boolean syntax

2002-11-21 Thread Daniele Orlandi
Are those two syntaxes eqivalent ? select * from users where monitored; select * from users where monitored=true; If the answer is yes, the optimimer probably doesn't agree with you :) Tested on RC1: template1=# create table a (a boolean, b text); CREATE TABLE inserted ~18000 rows with

Re: [HACKERS] xBSD shmem doc deficiency

2002-11-21 Thread Bruce Momjian
Neil Conway wrote: > (c) the 'prevent shared memory paging' sysctl vaguely referred > to in the docs is 'kern.ipc.shm_use_phys', right? I have added a mention of this to the 7.4 docs: You might also want to use the sysctl setting to lock shared memory into RAM

Re: [HACKERS] Error when comparing an integer to an empty string.

2002-11-21 Thread Neil Conway
Louis-David Mitterrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > with 7.2: > > template1=# select 1 = ''; >?column? > -- >f > (1 row) > > > with 7.3rc1: > > template1=# select 1 = ''; > ERROR: pg_atoi: zero-length string > > > Is this change of beha

Re: [HACKERS] Error when comparing an integer to an empty string.

2002-11-21 Thread Louis-David Mitterrand
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 11:07:55AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 17:30:10 +0100, > David Pradier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi! > > > > I'm new on this list, my name is David Pradier, and i'm french. > > > > I'm currently trying the new postgresql 7.3rc1, and i've

Re: [HACKERS] Error when comparing an integer to an empty string.

2002-11-21 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 17:30:10 +0100, David Pradier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > > I'm new on this list, my name is David Pradier, and i'm french. > > I'm currently trying the new postgresql 7.3rc1, and i've noticed that if > i compared an integer to an empty string, i ran in an error.

[HACKERS] Error when comparing an integer to an empty string.

2002-11-21 Thread David Pradier
Hi! I'm new on this list, my name is David Pradier, and i'm french. I'm currently trying the new postgresql 7.3rc1, and i've noticed that if i compared an integer to an empty string, i ran in an error. Example : =# select nom_comm from operation where id_operation = ''; ERROR: pg_atoi: zero-len

Re: [HACKERS] Why an array in pg_group?

2002-11-21 Thread Tom Lane
Reinoud van Leeuwen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is there any reason why the grolist field in the table pg_group is > implemented as an array and not as a separate table? It's easier to cache a single entry per group in the GRONAME and GROSYSID syscaches than a bunch of them. The design is optim

[HACKERS] Why an array in pg_group?

2002-11-21 Thread Reinoud van Leeuwen
Hi, Is there any reason why the grolist field in the table pg_group is implemented as an array and not as a separate table? According to the documentation: Arrays are not sets; using arrays in the manner described in the previous paragraph is often a sign of database misdesign. I have trouble