On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 04:51:08PM +0200, Álvaro Herrera wrote:
> On 2025-Apr-24, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> > Do we think most people are _not_ going to use pg_upgrade now that we
> > are defaulting to checksums being enabled by default in PG 18? And if
> > so, do we think we are ever going to hav
On 2025-Apr-24, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Do we think most people are _not_ going to use pg_upgrade now that we
> are defaulting to checksums being enabled by default in PG 18? And if
> so, do we think we are ever going to have a storage-format-changing
> release where pg_upgrade cannot be used?
Pe
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 08:37:56AM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 08:35:10AM -0400, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 8:12 AM Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >
> > Do we think most people are _not_ going to use pg_upgrade now that we
> > are defaulting t
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 08:51:41AM -0400, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 8:37 AM Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> When I wrote pg_upgrade, I assumed at some point the value of changing the
> storage format would outweigh the value of allowing in-place upgrades. I
> gues
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 8:37 AM Bruce Momjian wrote:
> When I wrote pg_upgrade, I assumed at some point the value of changing the
> storage format would outweigh the value of allowing in-place upgrades. I
> guess that hasn't happened yet.
>
It reminds me of TDE, which is an good example of that
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 08:35:10AM -0400, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 8:12 AM Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> Do we think most people are _not_ going to use pg_upgrade now that we
> are defaulting to checksums being enabled by default in PG 18?
>
>
> I cannot imagine t
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 8:12 AM Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Do we think most people are _not_ going to use pg_upgrade now that we
> are defaulting to checksums being enabled by default in PG 18?
I cannot imagine this would stop anyone from upgrading. It's one additional
flag, which was already a req
