On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 11:59 AM Amit Kapila wrote:
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> On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 10:10 AM Michael Paquier wrote:
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> > On Fri, Sep 08, 2023 at 09:14:59AM +0530, Amit Kapila wrote:
> > > On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 9:00 AM Zhijie Hou (Fujitsu)
> > > wrote:
> > >>> I
> > >>> mean that doing the latter
On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 10:10 AM Michael Paquier wrote:
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> On Fri, Sep 08, 2023 at 09:14:59AM +0530, Amit Kapila wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 9:00 AM Zhijie Hou (Fujitsu)
> > wrote:
> >>> I
> >>> mean that doing the latter is benefitial for the sake of any patch
> >>> committed and
> >>> a
On Fri, Sep 08, 2023 at 11:59:41AM +0530, Amit Kapila wrote:
> I agree with doing something simple. So, to conclude, we agree on two
> things in this thread (a) Use max_slot_wal_keep_size to -1 to start
> postmaster for the old cluster during the upgrade; (b) Have an
> elog(ERROR) to avoid invalida
On Fri, Sep 08, 2023 at 09:14:59AM +0530, Amit Kapila wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 9:00 AM Zhijie Hou (Fujitsu)
> wrote:
>>> I
>>> mean that doing the latter is benefitial for the sake of any patch
>>> committed and
>>> as a long-term method to rely on.
>
> What is your worry here? Are you w
On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 9:00 AM Zhijie Hou (Fujitsu)
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> On Friday, September 8, 2023 10:58 AM Michael Paquier
> wrote:
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> > On Fri, Sep 08, 2023 at 08:18:14AM +0530, Amit Kapila wrote:
> > > This validation tries to ensure that we don't have any bugs/issues in
> > > our patch. It may b
On Fri, Sep 08, 2023 at 03:30:23AM +, Zhijie Hou (Fujitsu) wrote:
> I feel adding a check at pg_upgrade may not 100% detect the slot invalidation
> if we check by querying the old cluster to get the slot info, because the
> invalidation can happen before the first time we fetch the info or afte
On Friday, September 8, 2023 10:58 AM Michael Paquier
wrote:
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> On Fri, Sep 08, 2023 at 08:18:14AM +0530, Amit Kapila wrote:
> > This validation tries to ensure that we don't have any bugs/issues in
> > our patch. It may be a candidate for assert but I feel even if we
> > encounter any bug it i
On Fri, Sep 08, 2023 at 08:18:14AM +0530, Amit Kapila wrote:
> This validation tries to ensure that we don't have any bugs/issues in
> our patch. It may be a candidate for assert but I feel even if we
> encounter any bug it is better to fix the bug.
My guess is that an elog-like error is more adap
On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 5:37 AM Michael Paquier wrote:
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> On Thu, Sep 07, 2023 at 03:33:52PM +0530, Amit Kapila wrote:
> > I think if we just make max_slot_wal_keep_size to -1 that should be
> > sufficient to not let any slots get invalidated during upgrade. Do you
> > have anything else in mind?
On Thu, Sep 07, 2023 at 03:33:52PM +0530, Amit Kapila wrote:
> I think if we just make max_slot_wal_keep_size to -1 that should be
> sufficient to not let any slots get invalidated during upgrade. Do you
> have anything else in mind?
Forcing wal_keep_size while on it may be a good thing.
> If we
On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 3:34 PM Amit Kapila wrote:
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> On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 12:55 PM Michael Paquier wrote:
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> > (Just dumping what I have in mind while reading the thread.)
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 02, 2023 at 10:08:51AM +0530, Amit Kapila wrote:
> > > During pg_upgrade, we start the server for t
On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 12:55 PM Michael Paquier wrote:
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> (Just dumping what I have in mind while reading the thread.)
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> On Sat, Sep 02, 2023 at 10:08:51AM +0530, Amit Kapila wrote:
> > During pg_upgrade, we start the server for the old cluster which can
> > allow the checkpointer to remove the
(Just dumping what I have in mind while reading the thread.)
On Sat, Sep 02, 2023 at 10:08:51AM +0530, Amit Kapila wrote:
> During pg_upgrade, we start the server for the old cluster which can
> allow the checkpointer to remove the WAL files. It has been noticed
> that we do generate certain types
On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 10:55 AM Amit Kapila wrote:
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> > Earlier I was thinking that ERRORing out is better so that the user
> > can take necessary action for the invalidated slots and then retry
> > upgrade. But thinking again I could not find what are the advantages
> > of this because if we er
On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 10:09 AM Dilip Kumar wrote:
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> On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 9:38 AM Amit Kapila wrote:
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> > On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 4:19 PM Dilip Kumar wrote:
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> > > Said that there is a possibility that some of the slots which got
> > > invalidated even on the previous checkpoint might
On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 9:38 AM Amit Kapila wrote:
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> On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 4:19 PM Dilip Kumar wrote:
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> > Said that there is a possibility that some of the slots which got
> > invalidated even on the previous checkpoint might get the same LSN as
> > the slot which got invalidated later if t
On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 4:19 PM Dilip Kumar wrote:
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> Said that there is a possibility that some of the slots which got
> invalidated even on the previous checkpoint might get the same LSN as
> the slot which got invalidated later if there is no activity between
> these two checkpoints. So if we g
On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 1:41 PM Dilip Kumar wrote:
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> > > I think we can do better, like we can just read the latest
> > > checkpoint's LSN before starting the old cluster. And now while
> > > checking the slot can't we check if the the slot is invalidated then
> > > their confirmed_flush_lsn >=
On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 11:18 AM Amit Kapila wrote:
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> On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 10:33 AM Dilip Kumar wrote:
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> > On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 8:41 AM Amit Kapila wrote:
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> > > On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 6:12 PM Dilip Kumar wrote:
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> > > > On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:09 AM Amit Kapila
> > > >
On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 10:33 AM Dilip Kumar wrote:
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> On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 8:41 AM Amit Kapila wrote:
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> > On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 6:12 PM Dilip Kumar wrote:
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> > > On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:09 AM Amit Kapila
> > > wrote:
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> > > > The other possibilities apart from not allowing
On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 8:41 AM Amit Kapila wrote:
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> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 6:12 PM Dilip Kumar wrote:
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> > On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:09 AM Amit Kapila wrote:
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> > > The other possibilities apart from not allowing an upgrade in such a
> > > case could be (a) Before starting the old cluste
On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 6:12 PM Dilip Kumar wrote:
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> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:09 AM Amit Kapila wrote:
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> > The other possibilities apart from not allowing an upgrade in such a
> > case could be (a) Before starting the old cluster, we fetch the slots
> > directly from the disk using some tool
On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:09 AM Amit Kapila wrote:
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> During pg_upgrade, we start the server for the old cluster which can
> allow the checkpointer to remove the WAL files. It has been noticed
> that we do generate certain types of WAL records (e.g
> XLOG_RUNNING_XACTS, XLOG_CHECKPOINT_ONLINE, an
During pg_upgrade, we start the server for the old cluster which can
allow the checkpointer to remove the WAL files. It has been noticed
that we do generate certain types of WAL records (e.g
XLOG_RUNNING_XACTS, XLOG_CHECKPOINT_ONLINE, and XLOG_FPI_FOR_HINT)
even during pg_upgrade for old cluster, s
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