Re: Fwd: Re: [GENERAL] SSDD reliability

2011-05-18 Thread Toby Corkindale
On 19/05/11 10:50, mark wrote: Note 1: I have seen an array that was powered on continuously for about six years, which killed half the disks when it was finally powered down, left to cool for a few hours, then started up again. Recently we rebooted about 6 machines that had uptimes of 950+ d

Re: Fwd: Re: [GENERAL] SSDD reliability

2011-05-18 Thread mark
> Note 1: > I have seen an array that was powered on continuously for about six > years, which killed half the disks when it was finally powered down, > left to cool for a few hours, then started up again. > Recently we rebooted about 6 machines that had uptimes of 950+ days. Last time fsck had

Re: Fwd: Re: [GENERAL] SSDD reliability

2011-05-11 Thread Toby Corkindale
BTW, I saw a news article today about a brand of SSD that was claiming to have the price effectiveness of MLC-type chips, but with lifetime of 4TB/day over 5 years. http://www.storagereview.com/anobit_unveils_genesis_mlc_enterprise_ssds which also links to: http://www.storagereview.com/sandfor

Re: Fwd: Re: [GENERAL] SSDD reliability

2011-05-05 Thread Toby Corkindale
On 05/05/11 18:36, Florian Weimer wrote: * Greg Smith: Intel claims their Annual Failure Rate (AFR) on their SSDs in IT deployments (not OEM ones) is 0.6%. Typical measured AFR rates for mechanical drives is around 2% during their first year, spiking to 5% afterwards. I suspect that Intel's n

Re: Fwd: Re: [GENERAL] SSDD reliability

2011-05-05 Thread Greg Smith
On 05/04/2011 08:31 PM, David Boreham wrote: Here's my best theory at present : the failures ARE caused by cell wear-out, but the SSD firmware is buggy in so far as it fails to boot up and respond to host commands due to the wear-out state. So rather than the expected outcome (SSD responds but

Re: Fwd: Re: [GENERAL] SSDD reliability

2011-05-05 Thread David Boreham
On 5/5/2011 2:36 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: I'm a bit concerned with usage-dependent failures. Presumably, two SDDs in a RAID-1 configuration are weared down in the same way, and it would be rather inconvenient if they failed at the same point. With hard disks, this doesn't seem to happen; even

Re: Fwd: Re: [GENERAL] SSDD reliability

2011-05-05 Thread Florian Weimer
* Greg Smith: > Intel claims their Annual Failure Rate (AFR) on their SSDs in IT > deployments (not OEM ones) is 0.6%. Typical measured AFR rates for > mechanical drives is around 2% during their first year, spiking to 5% > afterwards. I suspect that Intel's numbers are actually much better > th

Re: Fwd: Re: [GENERAL] SSDD reliability

2011-05-04 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:34 PM, David Boreham wrote: > On 5/4/2011 9:06 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: >> >> Most of it is.  But certain parts are fairly new, i.e. the >> controllers.  It is quite possible that all these various failing >> drives share some long term ~ 1 year degradation issue like the

Re: Fwd: Re: [GENERAL] SSDD reliability

2011-05-04 Thread David Boreham
On 5/4/2011 9:06 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: Most of it is. But certain parts are fairly new, i.e. the controllers. It is quite possible that all these various failing drives share some long term ~ 1 year degradation issue like the 6Gb/s SAS ports on the early sandybridge Intel CPUs. If that's th

Re: Fwd: Re: [GENERAL] SSDD reliability

2011-05-04 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:31 PM, David Boreham wrote: > > this). The technology and manufacturing processes are common across many > different types of product. They either all work , or they all fail. Most of it is. But certain parts are fairly new, i.e. the controllers. It is quite possible th

Re: Fwd: Re: [GENERAL] SSDD reliability

2011-05-04 Thread David Boreham
On 5/4/2011 6:02 PM, Greg Smith wrote: On 05/04/2011 03:24 PM, David Boreham wrote: So if someone says that SSDs have "failed", I'll assume that they suffered from Flash cell wear-out unless there is compelling proof to the contrary. I've been involved in four recovery situations similar to t

Re: Fwd: Re: [GENERAL] SSDD reliability

2011-05-04 Thread Greg Smith
On 05/04/2011 03:24 PM, David Boreham wrote: So if someone says that SSDs have "failed", I'll assume that they suffered from Flash cell wear-out unless there is compelling proof to the contrary. I've been involved in four recovery situations similar to the one described in that coding horror