Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Michael Nolan
IMHO you need at least five values: Male Female Unknown (aka NULL) Not Available Not Applicable BTW, my wife's grandfather's given name was "Pearl". A few years ago I taught a lesson to a group of about 30 third grade students. There were 6 students in that class with a first name pronounced l

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Jorge Godoy
Madison Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Some people argue that gender is a spectrum. If you want to be very > inclusive. Maybe you could use a 'float' and stick with 0 = woman, 1 = man > (self documenting after all) with the option of '0.1 - 0.9' for people who > feel "in between". How efficie

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread AgentM
While this thread is tangentially interesting, due to the magic of relational relationships, the point is really moot. If you are really worried about various gender states in the future, just create a table called "gender" and reference it and update it as necessary- done. -M

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Oisin Glynn
Steve Crawford wrote: Richard Troy wrote: On Fri, 8 Dec 2006, Raymond O'Donnell wrote: Yes, the table is used only for humans; it's part of some administrative software I'm writing for an educational institution, and the primary purpose of the gender column is to help the users cope wit

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Steve Crawford
Richard Troy wrote: > > > On Fri, 8 Dec 2006, Raymond O'Donnell wrote: >> Yes, the table is used only for humans; it's part of some >> administrative software I'm writing for an educational institution, >> and the primary purpose of the gender column is to help the users >> cope with a problem ne

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread John D. Burger
Steve Crawford wrote: Of course this breaks apart when dealing with that very rare syndrome (name escapes me) where the child appears female at birth but is actually a male whose male sex-organs descend and appear at puberty so I guess we need to add apparent_sex_at_birth. It turns out ther

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Merlin Moncure
On 12/8/06, Joshua D. Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 09:31 -0700, John Meyer wrote: > > COPY gender (gender_pk, gender) FROM stdin; > > 0(unknown) > > 1Male > > 2Female > > 3Trans > > \. > > > Not to take this completely off track, but isn't transgendered n

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Raymond O'Donnell
On 8 Dec 2006 at 12:17, Richard Troy wrote: > Ray, darest I point out that that's never been possible in English > anyway? There are dozens if not hundreds of androgenous names - Pat and > Tracy come immediately to mind, and there are countless others! You're correct, of course - but this is the

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Richard Troy
On Fri, 8 Dec 2006, Raymond O'Donnell wrote: > > Yes, the table is used only for humans; it's part of some > administrative software I'm writing for an educational institution, > and the primary purpose of the gender column is to help the users > cope with a problem new to the west of Ireland -

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Raymond O'Donnell
On 8 Dec 2006 at 11:13, Scott Marlowe wrote: > Male > Female > Hermaphrodite > Trans (MTF) > Trans (FTM) > Neuter > > and... I can't think of a seventh possibility. How about just plain confused?? --Ray. -- Raymond O'Donnell

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Raymond O'Donnell
On 8 Dec 2006 at 15:12, Jorge Godoy wrote: > I haven't read the beginning of the thread, but will this table be > used only for humans? There are animals that are hermafrodites (I hope Many thanks to all who responded - I had no idea of the monster I was creating in starting this thread! Yes,

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Ben
Isn't that why we have null? On Fri, 8 Dec 2006, Steve Wampler wrote: Andreas Kretschmer wrote: What about with Hermaphroditism? More seriously - is the gender something you always know? There are situations in the US where you cannot force someone to divulge their gender. So you may need

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread David Fetter
On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 11:13:03AM -0600, Scott Marlowe wrote: > On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 10:44, John Meyer wrote: > > David Fetter wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 03:23:11PM -, Raymond O'Donnell wrote: > > >> Just wondering.how do list member represent gender when storing > > >> details

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/08/06 09:40, Leif B. Kristensen wrote: > On Friday 8. December 2006 16:23, Raymond O'Donnell wrote: >> Just wondering.how do list member represent gender when storing >> details of people in a database? >> >> I've done it two ways: >> >> * A

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/08/06 09:31, John Meyer wrote: > Second method might be better. Too much heat from declaring "Males are True, Females are False"? > Of course, you could also do a one chracter gender "M/F" if you want to > save space. > > Raymond O'Donnell wro

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Steve Crawford
Scott Marlowe wrote: > On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 10:44, John Meyer wrote: >> David Fetter wrote: >>> On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 03:23:11PM -, Raymond O'Donnell wrote: Just wondering.how do list member represent gender when storing details of people in a database? >>> I usually use a tabl

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Madison Kelly
Jorge Godoy wrote: "Joshua D. Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Yes, but further I don't know of any country that recognizes anything but Male or Female. I haven't read the beginning of the thread, but will this table be used only for humans? There are animals that are hermafrodites (I hope

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Brian J. Erickson
That not including Genetics, where and individual could have multiple X Chromomes individuals Or be XY - female times those other 6 (or 7). - Original Message - From: "brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Male/

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread John Meyer
I guess in the end it really depends on what the client wants to track and what they don't. But this does actually have a serious implication, and that is how do you code for something that is mutable vs. something that supposedly is or very nearly immutable (i.e. the alphabet). -

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread brian
Scott Marlowe wrote: On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 10:44, John Meyer wrote: David Fetter wrote: On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 03:23:11PM -, Raymond O'Donnell wrote: Just wondering.how do list member represent gender when storing details of people in a database? I usually use a table called gend

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Berend Tober
Scott Marlowe wrote: On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 10:44, John Meyer wrote: David Fetter wrote: On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 03:23:11PM -, Raymond O'Donnell wrote: Just wondering.how do list member represent gender when storing details of people in a database? I usually use

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Berend Tober
Joshua D. Drake wrote: On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 09:31 -0700, John Meyer wrote: COPY gender (gender_pk, gender) FROM stdin; 0(unknown) 1Male 2Female 3Trans \. Not to take this completely off track, but isn't transgendered not so much a gender as it is a process of moving f

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 11:05, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 09:31 -0700, John Meyer wrote: > > > COPY gender (gender_pk, gender) FROM stdin; > > > 0(unknown) > > > 1Male > > > 2Female > > > 3Trans > > > \. > > > > > > Not to take this completely off track, but isn'

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 10:44, John Meyer wrote: > David Fetter wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 03:23:11PM -, Raymond O'Donnell wrote: > >> Just wondering.how do list member represent gender when storing > >> details of people in a database? > > > > I usually use a table called gender whi

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Jorge Godoy
"Joshua D. Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes, but further I don't know of any country that recognizes anything > but Male or Female. I haven't read the beginning of the thread, but will this table be used only for humans? There are animals that are hermafrodites (I hope I got the English

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 09:31 -0700, John Meyer wrote: > > COPY gender (gender_pk, gender) FROM stdin; > > 0(unknown) > > 1Male > > 2Female > > 3Trans > > \. > > > Not to take this completely off track, but isn't transgendered not so > much a gender as it is a process of moving from

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread John Meyer
Seven genders? Even San Fransisco thinks that's over the top. David Fetter wrote: > On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 03:23:11PM -, Raymond O'Donnell wrote: >> Just wondering.how do list member represent gender when storing >> details of people in a database? > > I usually use a table called gender

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Steve Wampler
Andreas Kretschmer wrote: > What about with Hermaphroditism? More seriously - is the gender something you always know? There are situations in the US where you cannot force someone to divulge their gender. So you may need an 'unreported' value of some sort. -- Steve Wampler -- [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread David Fetter
On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 03:23:11PM -, Raymond O'Donnell wrote: > Just wondering.how do list member represent gender when storing > details of people in a database? I usually use a table called gender which has one TEXT column, that being its primary key. For one client I had, there were s

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread John Meyer
> COPY gender (gender_pk, gender) FROM stdin; > 0(unknown) > 1Male > 2Female > 3Trans > \. Not to take this completely off track, but isn't transgendered not so much a gender as it is a process of moving from one gender to another? ---(end of broadcast)---

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Leif B. Kristensen
On Friday 8. December 2006 16:23, Raymond O'Donnell wrote: >Just wondering.how do list member represent gender when storing >details of people in a database? > >I've done it two ways: > >* A bool column, with the understanding that true/false represents >one gender or the other. > >* Create a d

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Berend Tober
Raymond O'Donnell wrote: Just wondering.how do list member represent gender when storing details of people in a database? I've done it two ways: * A bool column, with the understanding that true/false represents one gender or the other. * Create a domain, something like: CREATE DOMAIN g

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Andreas Kretschmer
Raymond O'Donnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Just wondering.how do list member represent gender when storing > details of people in a database? > > I've done it two ways: > > * A bool column, with the understanding that true/false represents > one gender or the other. > > * Create a d

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/08/06 09:23, Raymond O'Donnell wrote: > Just wondering.how do list member represent gender when storing > details of people in a database? > > I've done it two ways: > > * A bool column, with the understanding that true/false represents >

Re: [GENERAL] Male/female

2006-12-08 Thread John Meyer
Second method might be better. Of course, you could also do a one chracter gender "M/F" if you want to save space. Raymond O'Donnell wrote: > Just wondering.how do list member represent gender when storing > details of people in a database? > > I've done it two ways: > > * A bool column, w