On 8/4/07, Decibel! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 08:22:24AM -0400, Kenneth Downs wrote:
> > Ubuntu: What Windows wants to be, what the Mac is w/o the and with
> > more control. I just replaced a hard drive in a dell machine. A
> ...
> > Great graphics, great package m
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Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>> 3. Mac OSX is ugly. I know I just made a bunch of people poo in their
>> leather pants but it is. It is really ugly. I want clean, out of my way,
>> customizable interface that works the way "I" work. No
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Bruce McAlister wrote:
>> 2. Mac OSX is proprietary even down to the hardware. That is enough for
>> me to not use it. I gave up the whole IBM/SUN/SGI/HP fiasco of closed
>> door unix and hardware a decade ago.
> Wow :) Maybe you need to re-visit Sun g
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> 3. Mac OSX is ugly. I know I just made a bunch of people poo in their
> leather pants but it is. It is really ugly. I want clean, out of my way,
> customizable interface that works the way "I" work. Not the way the kool
> aide drinking fan boys of apple work.
>
> That bein
On 8/5/07, Joshua D. Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
> 3. Mac OSX is ugly. I know I just made a bunch of people poo in their
> leather pants but it is. It is really ugly. I want clean, out of my way,
> customizable interface that works the way "I" work. Not the way the kool
> aide drinking
> 2. Mac OSX is proprietary even down to the hardware. That is enough for
> me to not use it. I gave up the whole IBM/SUN/SGI/HP fiasco of closed
> door unix and hardware a decade ago.
Wow :) Maybe you need to re-visit Sun gear again, OpenSolaris,
OpenCluster are only but a subset of the unix tool
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Decibel! wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 08:22:24AM -0400, Kenneth Downs wrote:
>> Ubuntu: What Windows wants to be, what the Mac is w/o the and with
>> more control. I just replaced a hard drive in a dell machine. A
> ...
>> Great graphics,
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 08:22:24AM -0400, Kenneth Downs wrote:
> Ubuntu: What Windows wants to be, what the Mac is w/o the and with
> more control. I just replaced a hard drive in a dell machine. A
...
> Great graphics, great package management. However, it is still Linux
> and you still
Chris Browne wrote:
>
> The server does not need the overhead of having *any* of the "X
> desktop" things running; it doesn't even need an X server.
>
> You don't need X running on the server in order use those "enterprise
> management" tools; indeed, in a "lights out" environment, that server
>
On 8/2/07, Andrej Ricnik-Bay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 8/3/07, Merlin Moncure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > they do, but experience has shown it is prudent to be able to
> > administrate the hardware directly from the box.
>
> I'm curious: which aspect of hardware administration
> on a Li
On 8/3/07, Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm curious: which aspect of hardware administration
> > on a Linux box would require X (to be running)? If I *really*
> It's not that it can't be done, it's that having a window environment can
> make things easier. (I find 24x80 pretty cramped, and
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Andrej Ricnik-Bay wrote:
I'm curious: which aspect of hardware administration
on a Linux box would require X (to be running)? If I *really*
It's not that it can't be done, it's that having a window environment can
make things easier. (I find 24x80 pretty cramped, and I l
On 8/3/07, Merlin Moncure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> they do, but experience has shown it is prudent to be able to
> administrate the hardware directly from the box.
I'm curious: which aspect of hardware administration
on a Linux box would require X (to be running)? If I *really*
needed applet
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Merlin Moncure") writes:
> On 8/2/07, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Pardon me for being the contrarian, but why does a server need a
>> GUI? Isn't that just extra RAM & CPU overhead that could be more
>> profitably put to use powering the application?
>
> A server w
On 8/2/07, Gregory Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Merlin Moncure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > A server with a GUI sitting on a login screen is wasting zero
> > resources. Some enterprise management tools are in java which require
> > a GUI to use so there is very little downside to in
Gregory Stark wrote:
"Merlin Moncure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
A server with a GUI sitting on a login screen is wasting zero
resources. Some enterprise management tools are in java which require
a GUI to use so there is very little downside to installing X, so IMO
a lightweight window manag
"Merlin Moncure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> A server with a GUI sitting on a login screen is wasting zero
> resources. Some enterprise management tools are in java which require
> a GUI to use so there is very little downside to installing X, so IMO
> a lightweight window manager is appropria
On 8/2/07, Madison Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What I do is install Gnome, "just in case" I need it for some reason
> (ie: opening many terminal windows at a higher res that I can alt+tab
> between).
ssh and/or screen ...
> Madi
Cheers,
Andrej
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Please don't top post, and don't use HT
Ron Johnson wrote:
Pardon me for being the contrarian, but why does a server need a
GUI? Isn't that just extra RAM & CPU overhead that could be more
profitably put to use powering the application?
What I do is install Gnome, "just in case" I need it for some reason
(ie: opening many terminal
On 8/2/07, Scott Marlowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I think most of the virtual memory used by X is actually the map of the
> > > graphics card's memory AFAIK, so it's not as significant as you think.
> > That machine has an on-board chipset (i845) and has only 8MB
> > shared memory allotted
On 8/2/07, Andrej Ricnik-Bay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 8/2/07, Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND
> > > 4735 root 18 0 52524 7204 4304 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.01 httpd
> > > 4820 root 15 0 141m 6648
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On 08/01/07 22:05, Merlin Moncure wrote:
> On 8/2/07, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> On 08/01/07 10:37, Owen Hartnett wrote:
>>> At 4:52 PM +0200 8/1/07, Leif B. Kristensen wrote:
O
On 8/2/07, Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND
> > 4735 root 18 0 52524 7204 4304 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.01 httpd
> > 4820 root 15 0 141m 6648 3140 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.64 X
> I think most of the virtual memo
Andrej Ricnik-Bay escribió:
> On 8/2/07, Merlin Moncure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > A server with a GUI sitting on a login screen is wasting zero
> > resources. Some enterprise management tools are in java which require
> > a GUI to use so there is very little downside to installing X, so IM
On 8/2/07, Merlin Moncure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A server with a GUI sitting on a login screen is wasting zero
> resources. Some enterprise management tools are in java which require
> a GUI to use so there is very little downside to installing X, so IMO
> a lightweight window manager is ap
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On 08/01/07 21:58, Merlin Moncure wrote:
[snip]
>
> 3. binary packaging
> While I like the debian distros generally, I dislike the debian
> packaging of PostgreSQL. IMO, it's over engineered. If you plan to
How so?
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On 8/2/07, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On 08/01/07 10:37, Owen Hartnett wrote:
> > At 4:52 PM +0200 8/1/07, Leif B. Kristensen wrote:
> >> On Wednesday 1. August 2007 16:15, Madison Kelly wrote:
> >>
> >>> /Personally/, I love Debian
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On 08/01/07 21:44, Andrej Ricnik-Bay wrote:
> On 8/2/07, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> As an alternative viewpoint, I've been running the latest postgres on
>>> Mac OS X Server 10.4, and it's been great for me. It was my first time
>>>
On 8/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I bought a Dell server and I am going to use it for installing PostgrSQL
> 8.2.4. I always used Windows so far and I would like now to install a
> Linux distribution on the new server. Any suggestion on which distribution
> ? Fedo
On 8/2/07, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As an alternative viewpoint, I've been running the latest postgres on
> > Mac OS X Server 10.4, and it's been great for me. It was my first time
> > using a server, and my first serious use of postgres (although I have
> > had a lot of previou
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On 08/01/07 10:37, Owen Hartnett wrote:
> At 4:52 PM +0200 8/1/07, Leif B. Kristensen wrote:
>> On Wednesday 1. August 2007 16:15, Madison Kelly wrote:
>>
>>> /Personally/, I love Debian on servers.
>>>
>>> It's not quite as 'hardcore' as Gentoo (a gre
Andrej Ricnik-Bay wrote:
On 8/2/07, Reid Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If it's a dedicated production server, look at UBUNTU 6.10 server.
If you're planning to connect a monitor and run X-windows ( i.e. I
bought a server, but i'm going to use it as a learning platform for
LINUX in gene
On 09:15 Thu 02 Aug , Andrej Ricnik-Bay wrote:
> On 8/2/07, John K Masters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I love Slackware but have eventually gone back to running my servers on
> > Debian stable. Most of the Debian derivatives base on unstable to get
> > the latest version of things but sta
On 8/2/07, John K Masters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I love Slackware but have eventually gone back to running my servers on
> Debian stable. Most of the Debian derivatives base on unstable to get
> the latest version of things but stable is rock solid and will never let
> you down. The advantag
On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 13:29 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I bought a Dell server and I am going to use it for installing PostgrSQL
>> 8.2.4. I always used Windows so far and I would like now to install a
>> Linux distribution on the new server. Any suggestion on which distribution
On 06:30 Thu 02 Aug , Andrej Ricnik-Bay wrote:
> On 8/2/07, Rich Shepard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Andrej,
> Richard,
>
>
> >How quickly people forget about the quiet distribution: Slackware. Ideal
> > for servers, and great on desktops and portables, too, for those who know
> > what
On 8/1/07, Madison Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joseph S wrote:
> > I just moved one of my desktops and my laptop from Fedora 6 to Unbuntu
> > 7.04 because Fedora lacked hardware support that Unbuntu and my Fedora
> > machines had all sorts of problems like sound dropping out and machines
> >
On 8/2/07, Rich Shepard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andrej,
Richard,
>How quickly people forget about the quiet distribution: Slackware. Ideal
> for servers, and great on desktops and portables, too, for those who know
> what they're doing.
Slackware is my preferred distro by a long stretch,
On 8/2/07, Reid Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If it's a dedicated production server, look at UBUNTU 6.10 server.
> If you're planning to connect a monitor and run X-windows ( i.e. I
> bought a server, but i'm going to use it as a learning platform for
> LINUX in general also), i'd suggest
On Wed, 1 Aug 2007, Joseph S wrote:
My small gripes about Ubuntu are:
1) rpm, for all its faults, is still better than using apt
This is drfiting off-topic for this list, but this statement is so odd I
can't let it go unchallenged. You must have some odd criteria for
"better" or run into so
"Brian Mathis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Please don't start this. These issues are exactly why one should be
> looking at an ENTERPRISE OS for a server. Fedora, ubuntu, etc... are
> not enterprise OSes, and any discussion of such issues are certainly
> off-topic for this mailing list. An en
Joseph S wrote:
I just moved one of my desktops and my laptop from Fedora 6 to Unbuntu
7.04 because Fedora lacked hardware support that Unbuntu and my Fedora
machines had all sorts of problems like sound dropping out and machines
locking up. (Also the Fedora installers are terrible).
My smal
On 8/1/07, Douglas McNaught <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joseph S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > My small gripes about Ubuntu are:
> > 1) rpm, for all its faults, is still better than using apt
>
> You *must* be joking. In Debian and Ubuntu, I've never had a tenth of
> the dependency hell tha
Joseph S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> My small gripes about Ubuntu are:
> 1) rpm, for all its faults, is still better than using apt
You *must* be joking. In Debian and Ubuntu, I've never had a tenth of
the dependency hell that you regularly hit with RPMs (though yum has
improved things somew
charlie derr napisal 2007-08-01 17:37:
I would include the following as legitimate reasons to want to
build from source:
2. You need features from a newer version than is available in Debian.
Martin Pitt - Debian's PostgreSQL package maintainer makes a great job.
You won't wait too lon
I just moved one of my desktops and my laptop from Fedora 6 to Unbuntu
7.04 because Fedora lacked hardware support that Unbuntu and my Fedora
machines had all sorts of problems like sound dropping out and machines
locking up. (Also the Fedora installers are terrible).
My small gripes about Ub
Raymond O'Donnell wrote:
I'm about to install a new Linux server, and I've followed this thread
with interest, being a tinkerer rather than any sort of expert.
I'm going to try out Debian, which I haven't used before - the server
it's replacing is running an old RedHat - and would be intereste
At 4:52 PM +0200 8/1/07, Leif B. Kristensen wrote:
On Wednesday 1. August 2007 16:15, Madison Kelly wrote:
/Personally/, I love Debian on servers.
It's not quite as 'hardcore' as Gentoo (a great distro, but not one to
start with!). It's the foundation of many of the popular distros
(Ubuntu, Me
On Wednesday 1. August 2007 16:15, Madison Kelly wrote:
>/Personally/, I love Debian on servers.
>
>It's not quite as 'hardcore' as Gentoo (a great distro, but not one to
>start with!). It's the foundation of many of the popular distros
>(Ubuntu, Mepis, Knoppix, etc) and the Debian crew is very ca
On 8/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I bought a Dell server and I am going to use it for installing PostgrSQL
> 8.2.4. I always used Windows so far and I would like now to install a
> Linux distribution on the new server. Any suggestion on which distribution
> ? Fedo
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Da: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Per conto di Reid Thompson
Inviato: mercoledì 1 agosto 2007 15.15
A: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org
Oggetto: Re: [GENERAL] Linux distro
On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 13:29 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
I'm about to install a new Linux server, and I've followed this thread
with interest, being a tinkerer rather than any sort of expert.
I'm going to try out Debian, which I haven't used before - the server
it's replacing is running an old RedHat - and would be interested in
people's comments.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I bought a Dell server and I am going to use it for installing PostgrSQL
8.2.4. I always used Windows so far and I would like now to install a
Linux distribution on the new server. Any suggestion on which distribution
? Fedora, Ubuntu server, Suse or others?
Than
On Wed, 1 Aug 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I bought a Dell server and I am going to use it for installing PostgrSQL
8.2.4. I always used Windows so far and I would like now to install a
Linux distribution on the new server. Any suggestion on which
distribution ? Fedora, Ubuntu server, Suse o
On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 13:29 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I bought a Dell server and I am going to use it for installing PostgrSQL
> 8.2.4. I always used Windows so far and I would like now to install a
> Linux distribution on the new server. Any suggestion on which distribution
>
Paolo, I started with linux 6 years ago after being a confirmed
microsoftie my entire career, this is the experience I can offer:
Ubuntu: What Windows wants to be, what the Mac is w/o the and with
more control. I just replaced a hard drive in a dell machine. A
generic windows CD (the cu
On 01.08.2007 13:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I bought a Dell server and I am going to use it for installing PostgrSQL
8.2.4. I always used Windows so far and I would like now to install a
Linux distribution on the new server. Any suggestion on which distribution
? Fedora, Ubuntu server, Suse or
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I bought a Dell server and I am going to use it for installing PostgrSQL
8.2.4. I always used Windows so far and I would like now to install a
Linux distribution on the new server. Any suggestion on which distribution
? Fedora, Ubuntu server, Suse or others?
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