Re: [GENERAL] Plug-pull testing worked, diskchecker.pl failed

2012-11-07 Thread David Boreham
On 11/7/2012 3:17 PM, Vick Khera wrote: My most recent big box(es) are built using all Intel 3xx series drives. Like you said, the 7xx series was way too expensive. I have to raise my hand to say that for us 710 series drives are an unbelievable bargain and we buy nothing else now for producti

Re: [GENERAL] Plug-pull testing worked, diskchecker.pl failed

2012-11-07 Thread Vick Khera
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: > Is there a comprehensive list of drives that have been tested on the > wiki somewhere? Our current choices seem to be the Intel 3xx series > which STILL suffer from the "whoops I'm now an 8MB drive" bug and the > very expensive SLC 7xx series

Re: [GENERAL] Plug-pull testing worked, diskchecker.pl failed

2012-11-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 02:12:39PM -0700, Scott Marlowe wrote: > >> >> I don't have the specs to hand, but one of them is a Kingston drive. > >> >> Our local supplier is out of 320 series drives, so we were looking for > >> >> others; will check out the 710s. It's crazy that so few drives can > >>

Re: [GENERAL] Plug-pull testing worked, diskchecker.pl failed

2012-11-07 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 01:53:47PM -0700, Scott Marlowe wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: >> > On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 05:41:02PM +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Greg Smith wr

Re: [GENERAL] Plug-pull testing worked, diskchecker.pl failed

2012-11-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 01:53:47PM -0700, Scott Marlowe wrote: > On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 05:41:02PM +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Greg Smith wrote: > >> > In general, through, diskchecker.pl is the more

Re: [GENERAL] Plug-pull testing worked, diskchecker.pl failed

2012-11-07 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 05:41:02PM +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Greg Smith wrote: >> > In general, through, diskchecker.pl is the more sensitive test. If it >> > fails, storage is unreliable for PostgreSQ

Re: [GENERAL] Plug-pull testing worked, diskchecker.pl failed

2012-11-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 05:41:02PM +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Greg Smith wrote: > > In general, through, diskchecker.pl is the more sensitive test. If it > > fails, storage is unreliable for PostgreSQL, period. It's good that you've > > followed up by confir

Re: [GENERAL] Plug-pull testing worked, diskchecker.pl failed

2012-10-26 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Greg Smith wrote: > In general, through, diskchecker.pl is the more sensitive test. If it > fails, storage is unreliable for PostgreSQL, period. It's good that you've > followed up by confirming the real database corruption implied by that is > also visible. In

Re: [GENERAL] Plug-pull testing worked, diskchecker.pl failed

2012-10-26 Thread Greg Smith
On 10/24/12 4:04 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: Is this a useful and plausible testing methodology? It's definitely showed up some failures. On a hard-disk, all is well as long as the write-back cache is disabled; on the SSDs, I can't make them reliable. On Linux systems, you can tell when Postgres

Re: [GENERAL] Plug-pull testing worked, diskchecker.pl failed

2012-10-24 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Scott Marlowe > wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> After reading the comments last week about SSDs, I did some testing of >>> the ones we have at work - each of my test-bo

Re: [GENERAL] Plug-pull testing worked, diskchecker.pl failed

2012-10-24 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Scott Marlowe wrote: > On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> After reading the comments last week about SSDs, I did some testing of >> the ones we have at work - each of my test-boxes (three with SSDs, one >> with HDD) subjected to multiple sta

Re: [GENERAL] Plug-pull testing worked, diskchecker.pl failed

2012-10-22 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > After reading the comments last week about SSDs, I did some testing of > the ones we have at work - each of my test-boxes (three with SSDs, one > with HDD) subjected to multiple stand-alone plug-pull tests, using > pgbench to provide load. S

Re: [GENERAL] Plug-pull testing worked, diskchecker.pl failed

2012-10-22 Thread Jeff Janes
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Jeff Janes wrote: >> What did you do to look for corruption? That PosgreSQL succeeds at >> going through crash-recovery and then starting up is not a good >> indicator that there is no corruption. > > I fi

Re: [GENERAL] Plug-pull testing worked, diskchecker.pl failed

2012-10-22 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Jeff Janes wrote: > What did you do to look for corruption? That PosgreSQL succeeds at > going through crash-recovery and then starting up is not a good > indicator that there is no corruption. I fired up Postgres and looked at the logs for any signs of failure.

Re: [GENERAL] Plug-pull testing worked, diskchecker.pl failed

2012-10-22 Thread Jeff Janes
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > After reading the comments last week about SSDs, I did some testing of > the ones we have at work - each of my test-boxes (three with SSDs, one > with HDD) subjected to multiple stand-alone plug-pull tests, using > pgbench to provide load. S

[GENERAL] Plug-pull testing worked, diskchecker.pl failed

2012-10-22 Thread Chris Angelico
After reading the comments last week about SSDs, I did some testing of the ones we have at work - each of my test-boxes (three with SSDs, one with HDD) subjected to multiple stand-alone plug-pull tests, using pgbench to provide load. So far, there've been no instances of PostgreSQL data corruption,