Re: [GENERAL] On DNS for postgresql.org

2006-09-07 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 06:23:06PM -0700, Steve Atkins wrote: > DNS clue might be relevant. We're not, though. Rather I'm saying that > publicly criticizing people who volunteer services to a project, > about things that are not related to the services they're providing > is at best a little

Re: [GENERAL] On DNS for postgresql.org

2006-09-06 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote: If we were playing DNS body part size wars then who has the bigger DNS clue might be relevant. We're not, though. Rather I'm saying that publicly criticizing people who volunteer services to a project, about things that are not related to the servic

Re: [GENERAL] On DNS for postgresql.org

2006-09-06 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Tim Allen wrote: Andrew was apparently suggesting that the configuration issue he mentioned is not irrelevant, and may be the actual cause of the problems. Since he works for a domain registrar, I'm prepared to assume, at least as a working hypothesis, that he knows what he

Re: [GENERAL] On DNS for postgresql.org

2006-09-06 Thread Steve Atkins
On Sep 6, 2006, at 6:41 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Irrelevant details of the server configuration that do not directly affect those services aren't really something to gossip about on a public mailing list, though. The two are quite different things. Andrew was apparently suggesting th

Re: [GENERAL] On DNS for postgresql.org

2006-09-06 Thread Joshua D. Drake
If we were playing DNS body part size wars then who has the bigger DNS clue might be relevant. We're not, though. Rather I'm saying that publicly criticizing people who volunteer services to a project, about things that are not related to the services they're providing is at best a little imp

Re: [GENERAL] On DNS for postgresql.org

2006-09-06 Thread Stephen Frost
* Steve Atkins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > If we were playing DNS body part size wars then who has the bigger > DNS clue might be relevant. We're not, though. Rather I'm saying that > publicly criticizing people who volunteer services to a project, > about things that are not related to the

Re: [GENERAL] On DNS for postgresql.org

2006-09-06 Thread Joshua D. Drake
When you commit to providing services to this community, it is absolutely the business of that community on how the infrastructure is managed. It is the business of the community that the services provided are adequate and stable, certainly. That's become rather obvious recently. Irrelevan

Re: [GENERAL] On DNS for postgresql.org

2006-09-06 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Irrelevant details of the server configuration that do not directly affect those services aren't really something to gossip about on a public mailing list, though. The two are quite different things. Andrew was apparently suggesting that the configuration issue he mentioned is not irrele

Re: [GENERAL] On DNS for postgresql.org

2006-09-06 Thread Steve Atkins
On Sep 6, 2006, at 5:58 PM, Tim Allen wrote: Steve Atkins wrote: On Sep 6, 2006, at 5:29 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: When you commit to providing services to this community, it is absolutely the business of that community on how the infrastructure is managed. It is the business of the com

Re: [GENERAL] On DNS for postgresql.org

2006-09-06 Thread Tim Allen
Steve Atkins wrote: On Sep 6, 2006, at 5:29 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: When you commit to providing services to this community, it is absolutely the business of that community on how the infrastructure is managed. It is the business of the community that the services provided are adequa

Re: [GENERAL] On DNS for postgresql.org

2006-09-06 Thread Steve Atkins
On Sep 6, 2006, at 5:29 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Also the servers are volunteer provided, so it's not really anyones business other than the server owners. Given that the entire postgresql.org infrastructure just went off the air because of what sure looked to me like an error in administrat

Re: [GENERAL] On DNS for postgresql.org

2006-09-06 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Also the servers are volunteer provided, so it's not really anyones business other than the server owners. Given that the entire postgresql.org infrastructure just went off the air because of what sure looked to me like an error in administration, I submit that it _is_ others' business how the

Re: [GENERAL] On DNS for postgresql.org

2006-09-06 Thread Chris Browne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Atkins) writes: > On Sep 6, 2006, at 9:50 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >> Now that the DNS is back (thanks!), I thought I'd ask why the ra bit >> is set on the responses. Are those servers providing recursion to >> the whole Net? (They seem to be.) If so, that's a Bad Thin

Re: [GENERAL] On DNS for postgresql.org

2006-09-06 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 09:59:29AM -0700, Steve Atkins wrote: > > There's not anything like universal agreement on whether that's > a bad thing, or not. Uh, well, there sure is right now among TLD operators. Wide-open recursion is being used in a denial of service attack that causes orders-of-m

Re: [GENERAL] On DNS for postgresql.org

2006-09-06 Thread Steve Crawford
Andrew Sullivan wrote: > Hi, > > Now that the DNS is back (thanks!), I thought I'd ask why the ra bit > is set on the responses. Are those servers providing recursion to > the whole Net? (They seem to be.) If so, that's a Bad Thing. > > A > Yes, they do seem to be and yes it probably is a Ba

Re: [GENERAL] On DNS for postgresql.org

2006-09-06 Thread Steve Atkins
On Sep 6, 2006, at 9:50 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: Hi, Now that the DNS is back (thanks!), I thought I'd ask why the ra bit is set on the responses. Are those servers providing recursion to the whole Net? (They seem to be.) If so, that's a Bad Thing. There's not anything like universal ag

[GENERAL] On DNS for postgresql.org

2006-09-06 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Hi, Now that the DNS is back (thanks!), I thought I'd ask why the ra bit is set on the responses. Are those servers providing recursion to the whole Net? (They seem to be.) If so, that's a Bad Thing. A -- Andrew Sullivan | [EMAIL PROTECTED] If they don't do anything, we don't need their acr