Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-09-22 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> I know, since some Mailinglist I am on are migrated to Majordomo2. >> Afaik does Mailman not support the "nomail" Option. > > BTW, majordomo may not support 'nomail', but it does allow you to add > additional email addresses to a primary email, wh

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-09-21 Thread Jim Nasby
On Sep 13, 2006, at 9:05 AM, Michelle Konzack wrote: Majordomo2 support a nomail option as well ... I know, since some Mailinglist I am on are migrated to Majordomo2. Afaik does Mailman not support the "nomail" Option. BTW, majordomo may not support 'nomail', but it does allow you to add ad

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-09-14 Thread Stefan Kaltenbrunner
Michelle Konzack wrote: > Hello Marc, > > Am 2006-09-09 12:50:36, schrieb Marc G. Fournier: > >> And I missed this one from Joshua ... but, we aren't running Majordomo >> from GreatCircle, we are running Majordomo2 (http://www.mj2.org) which is >> very much being actively support ... > > I hav

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-09-14 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Marc, Am 2006-09-09 12:50:36, schrieb Marc G. Fournier: > And I missed this one from Joshua ... but, we aren't running Majordomo > from GreatCircle, we are running Majordomo2 (http://www.mj2.org) which is > very much being actively support ... I have seen... > Majordomo2 support a nomai

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-09-09 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2006-09-07 06:15:15, schrieb Joshua D. Drake: Honestly, it may be time we start looking at mailman. From what I can tell Majordomo isn't even supported any longer. Secondly we get some better management (not great but better) interfaces with ma

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-09-09 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-09-07 06:15:15, schrieb Joshua D. Drake: > >>Honestly, it may be time we start looking at mailman. > From what I can tell Majordomo isn't even supported any longer. > Secondly we get some better management (not great but better) interfaces > with mailman. > > Mailman is a supported, la

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-09-08 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: As much as I dislike majordomo, I'm not seeing a strong argument here for replacing it. As far as I can tell, there are no problems with our using it: the "unsubscribe-in-subject" thing was added to pgsql-general and seems to be working just fine.

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-09-07 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As someone who does a lot of moderation using both mailman and majordomo every single day, I can assure everyone that both of them suck in their own way. Majordomo is nice in that I can view a whole bunch of lists at once, and accept/reject en masse,

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-09-07 Thread Dave Page
-Original Message- From: "Joshua D. Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Joshua D. Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Tom Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "General" Sent: 07/09/06 14:27 Su

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-09-07 Thread Joshua D. Drake
I don't see how the web stuff can be any simpler. I view a single page, select the items I wish to keep, hit a single button, I am done and I don't have to clutter my inbox. This discussion is all about how people work. Most people *DO NOT* work from email the way Alvaro and and some of the

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-09-07 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Same goes as a user of mailman lists. What I want is to log in to "lists.postgresql.org", and get an interface that wil show me everything about the lists i'm subscribed to (capability to change my flags etc) and everything about the ones I'm admin for (which I'm not for any on pgsql.org, but i

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-09-07 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >> > >>Mailman is a supported, large, active, FOSS community project that is > >>battle tested in the current field much more so then Majordomo. Holding > >>on with a dying breaths to old software is silly. > > > >Can Mailman do moderation over email? If it can do that,

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-09-07 Thread Magnus Hagander
> > Seriously, I think that's the first time anybody said anything > good > > about the mailman interfaces Just the stuff I have to do for > the > > pgFoundry lists (of which I have only *two*) is just so much > pain. > > (who came up with such a brilliant thing as > > different-password-for-ev

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-09-07 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Seriously, I think that's the first time anybody said anything good about the mailman interfaces Just the stuff I have to do for the pgFoundry lists (of which I have only *two*) is just so much pain. (who came up with such a brilliant thing as different-password-for-everything-you-do? It's ju

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-09-07 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Mailman is a supported, large, active, FOSS community project that is battle tested in the current field much more so then Majordomo. Holding on with a dying breaths to old software is silly. Can Mailman do moderation over email? If it can do that, then I'm all for it. If it can't, which wa

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-09-07 Thread Magnus Hagander
> >>> ever noticed/commented about it ... ya, you are the only one > >>> complaining about it :) > >> Honestly, it may be time we start looking at mailman. > > > > Please don't, unless Majordomo is really broken and unfixed (i.e. > > there isn't a newer version with the bug fixed). What version >

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-09-07 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Alvaro Herrera wrote: > >Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >>Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >>>On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > >>> > In any case I don't see any reason to let the broken software continue > to be broken. Surely there must be an updated version which

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-09-07 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Alvaro Herrera wrote: Joshua D. Drake wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Alvaro Herrera wrote: In any case I don't see any reason to let the broken software continue to be broken. Surely there must be an updated version which corrects this bug? A patch at least? I mean, I

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-09-07 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > > > >>In any case I don't see any reason to let the broken software continue > >>to be broken. Surely there must be an updated version which corrects > >>this bug? A patch at least? I mean, I can't

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-09-06 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Alvaro Herrera wrote: In any case I don't see any reason to let the broken software continue to be broken. Surely there must be an updated version which corrects this bug? A patch at least? I mean, I can't be the only one complaining about it.

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-09-06 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Alvaro Herrera wrote: In any case I don't see any reason to let the broken software continue to be broken. Surely there must be an updated version which corrects this bug? A patch at least? I mean, I can't be the only one complaining about it. Based on this thread, an

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-08-23 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Even though multi-line Subject: is theoretically legal according to the RFCs, it's certainly an awful idea; how many MUAs do you know that provide more than one line to display the subject in a normal view? So I don't really care if Majordomo truncates the subject --- I wouldn't see the rest of i

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-08-23 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Tom Lane wrote: > Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Tom Lane wrote: > >> Even though multi-line Subject: is theoretically legal according to the > >> RFCs, it's certainly an awful idea; how many MUAs do you know that > >> provide more than one line to display the subject in a normal vi

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-08-23 Thread Tom Lane
Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Tom Lane wrote: >> Even though multi-line Subject: is theoretically legal according to the >> RFCs, it's certainly an awful idea; how many MUAs do you know that >> provide more than one line to display the subject in a normal view? >> So I don't really c

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-08-23 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Tom Lane wrote: > Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I noticed that Majordomo drops the second and subsequent lines of a > > Subject: line in message before dispatching for some reason. It has > > done this for some time; I noticed it some time ago in pgsql-es-ayuda > > but I thought i

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-08-23 Thread Tom Lane
Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I noticed that Majordomo drops the second and subsequent lines of a > Subject: line in message before dispatching for some reason. It has > done this for some time; I noticed it some time ago in pgsql-es-ayuda > but I thought it may be a bug in my MUA.

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-08-23 Thread Bernhard Weisshuhn
Guido Neitzer wrote: So they don't contain line feeds or carriage returns and so the can't be multi-line. If a mail client sends multi line subjects it does something against the RFC and I assume with that, it does something wrong. This is the theory in RFC 2822 as far as I understand it.

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-08-23 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Alvaro Herrera wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: Alvaro Herrera wrote: I noticed that Majordomo drops the second and subsequent lines of a Subject: line in message before dispatching for some reason. It has done this for some time; I noticed it some time ago in pgsql-es-ayuda but I thought it may be

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-08-23 Thread Guido Neitzer
On 23.08.2006, at 16:51 Uhr, Alvaro Herrera wrote: Guido Neitzer wrote: 8<8<8<8<8<8< 2.2.1. Unstructured Header Field Bodies Some field bodies in this standard are defined simply as "unstructured" (which is specified below as any US-ASCII

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-08-23 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Guido Neitzer wrote: > 8<8<8<8<8<8< > 2.2.1. Unstructured Header Field Bodies > > >Some field bodies in this standard are defined simply as >"unstructured" (which is specified below as any US-ASCII characters, >except for CR and LF) wit

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-08-23 Thread Erik Jones
It most likely conforms strictly to href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc822#page-21";>Rfc 822 which is the standard, and mostly canonical, and allows for CR and LF but not the two together (CRLF), if I'm reading it correctly: text= atoms, specials, CR & bare LF, bu

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-08-23 Thread Guido Neitzer
On 23.08.2006, at 16:31 Uhr, Alvaro Herrera wrote: Can you have multi-line subject lines? I didn't think that was possible. Yes. This is the header of a mail you sent to -patches: Aha? Subject is an "unstructured header field" and according to RFC 2822 [1]: 8<8<8<--

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-08-23 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Bruce Momjian wrote: > Alvaro Herrera wrote: > > I noticed that Majordomo drops the second and subsequent lines of a > > Subject: line in message before dispatching for some reason. It has > > done this for some time; I noticed it some time ago in pgsql-es-ayuda > > but I thought it may be a bug i

Re: [GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-08-23 Thread Bruce Momjian
Alvaro Herrera wrote: > I noticed that Majordomo drops the second and subsequent lines of a > Subject: line in message before dispatching for some reason. It has > done this for some time; I noticed it some time ago in pgsql-es-ayuda > but I thought it may be a bug in my MUA. But I just saw it ha

[GENERAL] Majordomo drops multi-line Subject:

2006-08-23 Thread Alvaro Herrera
I noticed that Majordomo drops the second and subsequent lines of a Subject: line in message before dispatching for some reason. It has done this for some time; I noticed it some time ago in pgsql-es-ayuda but I thought it may be a bug in my MUA. But I just saw it happened to a mail from Bruce as