Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-23 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 02:07:50PM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Jim C. Nasby wrote: > >On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 07:25:09AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > >>* Joshua D. Drake: > >> > >Sounds great! But why GPL? Are you looking to sell licenses? > GPL is to spread it as far and wide as poss

Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-22 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Jim C. Nasby wrote: On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 07:25:09AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: * Joshua D. Drake: Sounds great! But why GPL? Are you looking to sell licenses? GPL is to spread it as far and wide as possible as fast as possible. LGPL? My concern would be, I can't use this toolkit for a

Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-22 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 07:25:09AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Joshua D. Drake: > > >>> Sounds great! But why GPL? Are you looking to sell licenses? > >> GPL is to spread it as far and wide as possible as fast as possible. > > > > LGPL? > > > > My concern would be, I can't use this toolkit fo

Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-18 Thread Florian Weimer
* Matteo Beccati: > Hi, > > Florian Weimer wrote: >> Closed source? It's a PHP framework. 8-) >> Anyway, for a web application, the GPL is usually *less* restrictive >> than various BSD license variants because you do not need to mention >> the software in the end user documentation. The viral a

Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-18 Thread Florian Weimer
* Kenneth Downs: >>Many proprietary software vendors think that if you program to an >>interface which has a sole implementation, your code becomes a derived >>work of that implementation. If you sell different licenses for >>run-time and development environments, such an attitude towards >>copyr

Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-18 Thread Kenneth Downs
Florian Weimer wrote: * Kenneth Downs: If you seek to provide a closed source app that is built upon Andromeda, you are required to provide the source code to Andromeda itself. However, your app is not a derivative work in the strict sense because your code is not mixed in with m

Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-18 Thread Kenneth Downs
Florian Weimer wrote: * Joshua D. Drake: Sounds great! But why GPL? Are you looking to sell licenses? GPL is to spread it as far and wide as possible as fast as possible. LGPL? My concern would be, I can't use this toolkit for

Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-18 Thread Matteo Beccati
Hi, Florian Weimer wrote: Closed source? It's a PHP framework. 8-) Anyway, for a web application, the GPL is usually *less* restrictive than various BSD license variants because you do not need to mention the software in the end user documentation. The viral aspect of the GPL does not come in

Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-18 Thread Florian Weimer
* Joshua D. Drake: >>> Sounds great! But why GPL? Are you looking to sell licenses? >> GPL is to spread it as far and wide as possible as fast as possible. > > LGPL? > > My concern would be, I can't use this toolkit for a closed source > application if it is GPL. Closed source? It's a PHP framew

Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-18 Thread Florian Weimer
* Kenneth Downs: > If you seek to provide a closed source app that is built upon > Andromeda, you are required to provide the source code to Andromeda > itself. However, your app is not a derivative work in the strict > sense because your code is not mixed in with mine in any sense. You > never

Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-17 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 08:33:56AM +0100, Peter Wilson wrote: > The BSD license does allow others to create a closed-source project from > your code - but my view is that isn't too important. You'd be the natural > port of call if they wanted consultancy on how to do that. I'd argue that if you

Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-17 Thread Kenneth Downs
Anastasios Hatzis wrote: Kenneth Downs wrote: My company has developed an application development framework that targets PostgreSQL as its back-end, with PHP in the web layer. Is this product somehow related to AndroMDA (which is usually pronounced 'Andromeda')? http://www.andromda.org/

Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-17 Thread Kenneth Downs
Tom Lane wrote: Kenneth Downs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: If it turns out that nobody can release a closed source app, I will definitely reconsider and look again at LGPL, but I am not convinced you cannot do so. If you seek to provide a closed source app tha

Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-17 Thread Peter Wilson
Tim Allen wrote: Kenneth Downs wrote: GPL is to spread it as far and wide as possible as fast as possible. LGPL? My concern would be, I can't use this toolkit for a closed source application if it is GPL. That may be your intent (which I actually don't have a business problem with), I was

Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-16 Thread Anastasios Hatzis
Kenneth Downs wrote: My company has developed an application development framework that targets PostgreSQL as its back-end, with PHP in the web layer. Is this product somehow related to AndroMDA (which is usually pronounced 'Andromeda')? http://www.andromda.org/ Greetings, Anastasios ---

Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-16 Thread Tim Allen
Kenneth Downs wrote: GPL is to spread it as far and wide as possible as fast as possible. LGPL? My concern would be, I can't use this toolkit for a closed source application if it is GPL. That may be your intent (which I actually don't have a business problem with), I was just curious as t

Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-16 Thread Tom Lane
Kenneth Downs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If it turns out that nobody can release a closed source app, I will > definitely reconsider and look again at LGPL, but I am not convinced you > cannot do so. > If you seek to provide a closed source app that is built upon Andromeda, > you are require

Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-16 Thread Kenneth Downs
Joshua D. Drake wrote: Sounds great! But why GPL? Are you looking to sell licenses? GPL is to spread it as far and wide as possible as fast as possible. LGPL? My concern would be, I can't use this toolkit for a closed source application if it is GPL. That may be your intent (which I

Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-16 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Sounds great! But why GPL? Are you looking to sell licenses? GPL is to spread it as far and wide as possible as fast as possible. LGPL? My concern would be, I can't use this toolkit for a closed source application if it is GPL. That may be your intent (which I actually don't have a busin

Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-16 Thread David Fetter
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 04:02:36PM -0400, Kenneth Downs wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > >Kenneth Downs wrote: > > > >>Hello folks, > >> > >>My company has developed an application development framework that > >>targets PostgreSQL as its back-end, with PHP in the web layer. > >> > >>We are inv

Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-16 Thread Kenneth Downs
Joshua D. Drake wrote: Kenneth Downs wrote: Hello folks, My company has developed an application development framework that targets PostgreSQL as its back-end, with PHP in the web layer. We are inviting any early adopters who may wish to experiment to download and install the code. You

Re: [GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-16 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Kenneth Downs wrote: Hello folks, My company has developed an application development framework that targets PostgreSQL as its back-end, with PHP in the web layer. We are inviting any early adopters who may wish to experiment to download and install the code. You may contact me off-list wi

[GENERAL] Announce: GPL Framework centered on Postgres

2006-05-16 Thread Kenneth Downs
Hello folks, My company has developed an application development framework that targets PostgreSQL as its back-end, with PHP in the web layer. We are inviting any early adopters who may wish to experiment to download and install the code. You may contact me off-list with any support or oth