Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-13 Thread Wolfgang Keller
Alex Turner wrote: > No.1 Python does not scale well. > map x=new map(); Whatever that may mean. Reminds me why I deliberately forgot all of C right after the final test of that class at university. > vs > self.d={}; Beep. Go back to my initial article and read what I wrote. And try to underst

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-10 Thread Alex Turner
No.1 Python does not scale well. map x=new map(); vs self.d={}; Python is 10x slower than C++ or Java. If you do _any_ kind of OO programming, python is _very_ slow. I have implemented a great little web content engine based on Python and XML using PyXML, and it has _serious_ problems with larg

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-10 Thread Leif B. Kristensen
On Tuesday 10 May 2005 14:34, vladimir wrote: > > I remember the Borland of old that offered extraordinarily powerful > > tools at a reasonable price. Unfortunately, they are not the same > > company they used to be. > > The freepascal + lazarus + ported ZeosDB could do the trick... Yes, it could

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-10 Thread vladimir
> I remember the Borland of old that offered extraordinarily powerful > tools at a reasonable price. Unfortunately, they are not the same > company they used to be. The freepascal + lazarus + ported ZeosDB could do the trick... Vlad ---(end of broadcast)-

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-10 Thread Marco Colombo
On Tue, 2005-05-10 at 01:51 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Wolfgang, thanks! I am very persuaded by your arguments regarding > Python. What you have written makes me look at Python in a different > light. > > I happened to find a download of Python2.2 which I installed at work > but have not

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-10 Thread Daniel Schuchardt
Arthur Hoogervorst schrieb: Hi, The company I work for actually uses the Zeos lib/Postgres extensively to track the shipping and sales side for almost 3 years. We're still running on a 7.2/7.4 Postgres database, because I haven't been convinced yet to either update or upgrade to 8.x.x. I'm curious

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-09 Thread Typing80wpm
Wolfgang, thanks! I am very persuaded by your arguments regarding Python.  What you have written makes me look at Python in a different light.   I happened to find a download of Python2.2 which I installed at work but have not tried out.  I wish I could find detailed instructions on WHICH py

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-09 Thread Wolfgang Keller
Hello, > But I know from past experience that I am not going to make a lot of > progress teaching myself any form of C language. I had to learn programming with Pascal at university first. It worked for me. Then I had to learn Fortran. Didn't like some things about it, but still managed to

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-09 Thread Arthur Hoogervorst
Hi, The company I work for actually uses the Zeos lib/Postgres extensively to track the shipping and sales side for almost 3 years. We're still running on a 7.2/7.4 Postgres database, because I haven't been convinced yet to either update or upgrade to 8.x.x. I'm curious if others have successfull

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-09 Thread Philippe Lang
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Tony Caduto Envoyé : vendredi, 6. mai 2005 00:48 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc : pgsql-general@postgresql.org Objet : Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD Programmers Paradise has delphi in their catalogs... If you call borland and tell them you want to d

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-09 Thread Masse Jacques
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Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-06 Thread Shelby Cain
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I was pleased with the progress I could make with Visual Basic and > Postgresql, as well as what I could do through MS Access. But it > would be so nice to have something that paints screens quickly and > allows one to develop things fast. Powerbuilder was nice

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-06 Thread Chris Browne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony Caduto) writes: > That's what was said 7 years ago. guess what it's still around > and going strong. This is one of the most ridiculous arguments > against using Delphi, every year people like you say this, then 7 > years go by and your still wrong I wasn't the one

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-06 Thread Tony Caduto
They are if you are doing any of your research at work :-) I started using Delphi for shareware/hobby products and while the initial investment was higher, I reap the benefits of a huge third party and open source component environment. Lets see, say you need a syntax highlighting editor componen

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-06 Thread Jeff Eckermann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > It is just too bad that there is not a better, more user friendly, well > documented front-end tool for Postgresql in open source. It really is > kind of a > marketing issue, in a way. I mean, if someone could really put together >

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-06 Thread Tony Caduto
That's what was said 7 years ago. guess what it's still around and going strong. This is one of the most ridiculous arguments against using Delphi, every year people like you say this, then 7 years go by and your still wrong The problem with Delphi is that it is uncertain where it will s

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-06 Thread Christopher Browne
Martha Stewart called it a Good Thing when [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Zlatko Matic") wrote: > It seems that many people fanatically recommend Delphi, while others > fanaticaly despise Delphi. I've sent a question about comparative > features of MS Access/Visual Studio/Delphi for working with > databases

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-06 Thread Typing80wpm
I suppose, with regard to the question of Delphi, one might simply line up and summarize or itemize all of the items and points PRO and CON.   One finds such PRO and CON lists for Postgresql vs MySQL vs Oracle, for Linux vs Windows,... for so many things.   But, its all analogous to an ocean v

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-06 Thread Typing80wpm
I am convinced that Tony Caduto is correct in everything he says about Delphi.   If you are with some Company, and you have your full time to devote to programming, and the support of a staff and a budget, why I am sure you can make anything work for you. If you throw enough time and money an

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-06 Thread Typing80wpm
Thanks, everyone,  for suggestions regarding QT.  I did find a good book on QT in the computer section of a bookstore and spent quite some time looking at it, the "hello world" exercise, and almost purchased it.  But I know from past experience that I am not going to make a lot of progress t

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-05 Thread Zlatko Matic
PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD Programmers Paradise has delphi in their catalogs... If you call borland and tell them you want to do a competive upgrade for the old VB you are using they will let you buy the upgrade

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-05 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Tony Caduto wrote: Programmers Paradise has delphi in their catalogs... I haven't used any Microsoft or Winduhs software for about eight years now, but I beleive that you can get -- for free -- Qt for winduhs. If you do this, you get the Qt Designer included. This is a GUI GU

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-05 Thread Steve Atkins
On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 04:28:43PM -0700, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Thu, 5 May 2005, Tony Caduto wrote: > > >Programmers Paradise has delphi in their catalogs... > > I haven't used any Microsoft or Winduhs software for about eight years > now, > but I beleive that you can get -- for free -- Q

Re: [GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-05 Thread Tony Caduto
Programmers Paradise has delphi in their catalogs... If you call borland and tell them you want to do a competive upgrade for the old VB you are using they will let you buy the upgrade to Delphi 2005 PRO. You have to ask. Like I said before you get what you pay for and all this time you have bee

[GENERAL] Adventures in Quest for GUI RAD

2005-05-05 Thread typing80wpm
http://www.microolap.com/products/database/mydbacentral/   I was hoping to find a GUI Rapid Application development for Postgresql similar to the above.  The above is the only thing I could find, but it seems to support only MySQL and not PostgreSQL.  I am so anxious to find such a tool, if it woul