Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD

2006-09-04 Thread Anton de Wet
On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, mdean wrote: Guys, a multiple perspective is important. Your perspective is valid, but doesn't address the true purpose of these easy certs. They are designed to give the companies involved larger mind space among programmers, admins, and companies hiring them. They are a

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD

2006-09-03 Thread mdean
Joshua D. Drake wrote: Training I agree with, but certifications can go either way. Guys, a multiple perspective is important. Your perspective is valid, but doesn't address the true purpose of these easy certs. They are designed to give the companies involved larger mind space among p

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD

2006-09-02 Thread Chris Travers
Tom Lane wrote: Josh Berkus writes: In general, I think that people who harp on PostgreSQL's lack of a benevolent dictator as an inhibitor to progress are people who are not comfortable with democracy and are looking for excuses why company X needs to "take over the project for its own goo

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Training I agree with, but certifications can go either way. A good example of where certifications are generally NOT going to work in your favour is the fiasco that Oracle has created with their OCP certification over the past 6 or so years. So many people were pushed through these OCP mills

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread Robert Treat
On Thursday 31 August 2006 14:41, Josh Berkus wrote: > > We do have portions of a meritocracy in place but we are by no means > > mature in that arena. Likely because of our lock problem ;) > > What specific issues do you see? We're pretty strongly merit-based -- the > only reservation I see on t

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread Bricklen Anderson
Anton de Wet wrote: One problem I see the postresql at the moment (and I'm porbably touching a can of worms here) is the lack of some sort of certification. One thing linux (or Red Hat) is doing well is supplying the things that corporates are looking for. And the first thing they look for w

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD

2006-09-01 Thread Anton de Wet
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006, Josh Berkus wrote: In general, I think that people who harp on PostgreSQL's lack of a benevolent dictator as an inhibitor to progress are people who are not comfortable with democracy and are looking for excuses why company X needs to "take over the project for its own good.

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD

2006-08-31 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus writes: > In general, I think that people who harp on PostgreSQL's lack of a > benevolent dictator as an inhibitor to progress are people who are not > comfortable with democracy and are looking for excuses why company X needs > to "take over the project for its own good." I don't

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD

2006-08-31 Thread Bill Moran
In response to "Joshua D. Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> > >> On the other hand, we do suffer from the locked project problem (the > >> recent recursive query debacle is a perfect example). > > > > Yep, but fortunately this problem doesn't happen to us often. > > I think this might happen mor

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD

2006-08-31 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On the other hand, we do suffer from the locked project problem (the recent recursive query debacle is a perfect example). Yep, but fortunately this problem doesn't happen to us often. I think this might happen more then you think. I ran into it with Alvaro just a couple of days ago. I brou

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD

2006-08-31 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 11:18:27AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On the other hand, we do suffer from the locked project problem (the > recent recursive query debacle is a perfect example). Maybe, but we don't have the extreme form. Patches have been submitted by people other than the ones sayi

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD

2006-08-31 Thread Bruce Momjian
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > > The only part of this that I see as relevant to us is setting of > > development goals. And we've already discussed this ad nauseum on the > > Hackers list and AFAIK have an initial plan (the enhanced TODO), lacking > > only the resources to implement it this mon

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD

2006-08-31 Thread Joshua D. Drake
In general, I think that people who harp on PostgreSQL's lack of a benevolent dictator as an inhibitor to progress are people who are not comfortable with democracy and are looking for excuses why company X needs to "take over the project for its own good." Well I definitely don't think we nee

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD

2006-08-31 Thread Josh Berkus
Josh, > On the other hand, we do suffer from the locked project problem (the > recent recursive query debacle is a perfect example). Yep, and that was immediately recognized as a problem in need of a solution. In fact, some of the arguments againts the issue/feature tracker were that it would

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD

2006-08-31 Thread Joshua D. Drake
The only part of this that I see as relevant to us is setting of development goals. And we've already discussed this ad nauseum on the Hackers list and AFAIK have an initial plan (the enhanced TODO), lacking only the resources to implement it this month. Almost the whole thing is relevant :

Re: [GENERAL] [pgsql-advocacy] Thought provoking piece on NetBSD

2006-08-31 Thread Josh Berkus
Josh, > It is current, to the point and has some direct correlations with our > project that we may want to be aware of. Well, we're not in any danger of the board of a foundation taking over Postgres. ;-) The only part of this that I see as relevant to us is setting of development goals. An