Re: [GENERAL] user mode

2009-03-11 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Jack W wrote: > The default user mode of PostgreSQL is single user mode. How to enable > multi-users mode? No, that's backwards. How exactly are you starting postgresql up? -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes t

[GENERAL] user mode

2009-03-11 Thread Jack W
The default user mode of PostgreSQL is single user mode. How to enable multi-users mode? Thanks. Jack

Re: [GENERAL] I don't want to back up index files

2009-03-11 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 20:59 -0600, Scott Marlowe wrote: > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Glen Parker wrote: > > Scott Marlowe wrote: > > Suggesting that a > > person who's been managing PG in a commercial setting since version 6.4 > > should just use pg_dump as an alternative to PITR is, well,

Re: [GENERAL] I don't want to back up index files

2009-03-11 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Glen Parker wrote: > Scott Marlowe wrote: > >> pg_dump is a perfectly acceptable backup tool, as is PITR.  They have >> different ways of operating based on what you need.  Trying to make >> PITR act more like pg_dump seems kind of silly to me. > > pg_dump is not a

Re: [GENERAL] I don't want to back up index files

2009-03-11 Thread Tom Lane
Glen Parker writes: > We have yet to recover from a PG disaster. We back up every night, and > never use the back ups for anything. To me, it seems perfectly > reasonable to get a quicker back up every night, with the remote > possibility of ever having to pay the price for it. Why don't you

Re: [GENERAL] I don't want to back up index files

2009-03-11 Thread Tom Lane
Glen Parker writes: > Tom Lane wrote: >> ... AFAICS what >> Glen is proposing is to not WAL-log index changes, and with that any >> crash no matter how minor would have to invalidate indexes. > Nooo...! This has nothing to do with WAL logging index changes. How so? In any PITR-based situation

Re: [GENERAL] I don't want to back up index files

2009-03-11 Thread Glen Parker
Joshua D. Drake wrote: 1. You could put all your indexes into a table space, this would allow you to "try" different things with the indexes. Most of them are, but I still have to back them up in order to have a valid backup, because the PITR code would choke if any are missing. 2. Even tho

Re: [GENERAL] I don't want to back up index files

2009-03-11 Thread Glen Parker
Tom Lane wrote: Alvaro Herrera writes: FWIW I don't think this idea is silly at all. It's so not-silly, in fact, that we already have some access methods that do this if an index cannot be recovered (I think at least GiST does it). Well, there's a difference between "rebuild the index when i

Re: [GENERAL] I don't want to back up index files

2009-03-11 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 16:57 -0700, Glen Parker wrote: > Scott Marlowe wrote: > That's two people now who have called the idea "silly" without even a > hint of a supporting argument. Why would it be "silly" to improve the > performance of a highly valuable tool set without compromising its > ut

Re: [GENERAL] I don't want to back up index files

2009-03-11 Thread Tom Lane
Alvaro Herrera writes: > FWIW I don't think this idea is silly at all. It's so not-silly, in > fact, that we already have some access methods that do this if an index > cannot be recovered (I think at least GiST does it). Well, there's a difference between "rebuild the index when it can't be rec

Re: [GENERAL] Streaming PUG meeting: PostgreSQL Genetics!

2009-03-11 Thread Christophe
On Mar 11, 2009, at 5:51 PM, CaT wrote: Will there be a saved version of this available for later viewing? Don't make me choose between steak and beer and postgres. 8( Yes! I'll announce it here when it's available. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To m

Re: [GENERAL] Streaming PUG meeting: PostgreSQL Genetics!

2009-03-11 Thread CaT
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 05:41:55PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > All, > > There *may* be a streaming presentation of PostgreSQL, Unison-DB and > Genetech in 1/2 hour: > > http://cubic.org/sfpug.html > 6:15 or 6:30pm PST/PDT, March 11th > > Join us and see if it works! Will there be a saved version

Re: [GENERAL] Streaming PUG meeting: PostgreSQL Genetics!

2009-03-11 Thread Josh Berkus
c...@zip.com.au wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 05:41:55PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: All, There *may* be a streaming presentation of PostgreSQL, Unison-DB and Genetech in 1/2 hour: http://cubic.org/sfpug.html 6:15 or 6:30pm PST/PDT, March 11th Join us and see if it works! Will there be a

[GENERAL] Streaming PUG meeting: PostgreSQL Genetics!

2009-03-11 Thread Josh Berkus
All, There *may* be a streaming presentation of PostgreSQL, Unison-DB and Genetech in 1/2 hour: http://cubic.org/sfpug.html 6:15 or 6:30pm PST/PDT, March 11th Join us and see if it works! --Josh Berkus -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to

Re: [GENERAL] I don't want to back up index files

2009-03-11 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Glen Parker escribió: > That's two people now who have called the idea "silly" without even a > hint of a supporting argument. Why would it be "silly" to improve the > performance of a highly valuable tool set without compromising its > utility? Am I missing something here? That's certain

Re: [GENERAL] I don't want to back up index files

2009-03-11 Thread Glen Parker
Scott Marlowe wrote: pg_dump is a perfectly acceptable backup tool, as is PITR. They have different ways of operating based on what you need. Trying to make PITR act more like pg_dump seems kind of silly to me. pg_dump is not acceptable to us because of the potential to lose many hours of

Re: [GENERAL] I don't want to back up index files

2009-03-11 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Glen Parker wrote: > Grzegorz Jaśkiewicz wrote: >> So like JD said, if you don't want to dump indicies - just use pg_dump... > > If pg_dump were an acceptable backup tool, we wouldn't need PITR, would we? >  We used pg_dump for years.  There's a very good reason we

Re: [GENERAL] I don't want to back up index files

2009-03-11 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 14:25 -0700, Glen Parker wrote: > Grzegorz Jaśkiewicz wrote: > > So like JD said, if you don't want to dump indicies - just use pg_dump... > > If pg_dump were an acceptable backup tool, we wouldn't need PITR, would > we? We used pg_dump for years. There's a very good reas

[GENERAL] COPY and "pg_ctl -m fast stop"

2009-03-11 Thread Jeff Davis
If I open up a session and do: copy t from stdin; And then I let the psql session just sit there, not producing data, then I do a "pg_ctl -m fast stop", then that backend doing the copy doesn't terminate. Is this expected behavior? I looked at the code, and it looks like it ignores an interrupti

Re: [GENERAL] Sync 2 tables in 2 databases

2009-03-11 Thread Joshua Tolley
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:26:35PM -0700, SHARMILA JOTHIRAJAH wrote: > It is just 1 way synchronization... replication with slony sounds pretty > good... ill try that out > Thanks There are options other than Slony, each with their pros and cons. Some that come to mind include Bucardo[1], Londist

Re: [GENERAL] Enable user access from remote host

2009-03-11 Thread Adrian Klaver
On Wednesday 11 March 2009 1:29:18 pm Piotre Ugrumov wrote: > On 11 Mar, 01:41, akla...@comcast.net (Adrian Klaver) wrote: > > On Tuesday 10 March 2009 4:36:36 pm Piotre Ugrumov wrote: > > > On 9 Mar, 02:22, t...@sss.pgh.pa.us (Tom Lane) wrote: > > > > John R Pierce writes: > > > > > Tom Lane wrot

Re: [GENERAL] I don't want to back up index files

2009-03-11 Thread Glen Parker
Grzegorz Jaśkiewicz wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Any chance of something like this being done in the future? I am going to go out on a limb here and say, "no". That would probably be possible, by placing all indicies in a separate directory in data, but...

Re: [GENERAL] Enable user access from remote host

2009-03-11 Thread Piotre Ugrumov
On 11 Mar, 01:41, akla...@comcast.net (Adrian Klaver) wrote: > On Tuesday 10 March 2009 4:36:36 pm Piotre Ugrumov wrote: > > > > > On 9 Mar, 02:22, t...@sss.pgh.pa.us (Tom Lane) wrote: > > > John R Pierce writes: > > > > Tom Lane wrote: > > > >> A more accurate statement is that it's trustworthy t

Re: [GENERAL] Server Shutting Down

2009-03-11 Thread Raymond O'Donnell
On 11/03/2009 18:47, Steve Crawford wrote: > The PostgreSQL Server log. I don't know about Windows but in *nix you > need to edit the "ERROR REPORTING AND LOGGING" section of > postgresql.conf, wherever that is located in your install (we still have > no idea what OS, OS release/version, and PG ve

Re: [GENERAL] Sync 2 tables in 2 databases

2009-03-11 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:29 PM, SHARMILA JOTHIRAJAH wrote: > > >> > Hi, >> > I have 2 postgres databases with similar structure. I >> want to keep some tables in sync in these 2 databases(They >> can be synced just once a day). Is there a way to archive >> this using function ? >> > Something lik

Re: [GENERAL] Sync 2 tables in 2 databases

2009-03-11 Thread SHARMILA JOTHIRAJAH
> > Hi, > > I have 2 postgres databases with similar structure. I > want to keep some tables in sync in these 2 databases(They > can be synced just once a day). Is there a way to archive > this using function ? > > Something like > > > > Select syncTable('foo') > > > > where syncTable is a f

Re: [GENERAL] Sync 2 tables in 2 databases

2009-03-11 Thread SHARMILA JOTHIRAJAH
--- On Wed, 3/11/09, Scott Marlowe wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I have 2 postgres databases with similar structure. I > want to keep some tables in sync in these 2 databases(They > can be synced just once a day). Is there a way to archive > this using function ? > > Something like > > > > Selec

Re: [GENERAL] Sync 2 tables in 2 databases

2009-03-11 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:20 PM, SHARMILA JOTHIRAJAH wrote: > > Hi, > I have 2 postgres databases with similar structure. I want to keep some > tables in sync in these 2 databases(They can be synced just once a day). Is > there a way to archive this using function ? > Something like > >  Sel

[GENERAL] Sync 2 tables in 2 databases

2009-03-11 Thread SHARMILA JOTHIRAJAH
Hi, I have 2 postgres databases with similar structure. I want to keep some tables in sync in these 2 databases(They can be synced just once a day). Is there a way to archive this using function ? Something like Select syncTable('foo') where syncTable is a function that compares table 'f

Re: [GENERAL] Server Shutting Down

2009-03-11 Thread Steve Crawford
The PostgreSQL Server log. I don't know about Windows but in *nix you need to edit the "ERROR REPORTING AND LOGGING" section of postgresql.conf, wherever that is located in your install (we still have no idea what OS, OS release/version, and PG version we are trying to help you with). If you a

Re: [GENERAL] Question about \copy

2009-03-11 Thread F. Jovan Jester
On Mar 11, 2009, at 1:21 PM, John Wang wrote: I have a table, for example, Product. It's index is Product_index. If I use \copy to load data into the table: \copy Product from data.txt Will the index, Product_index, also be updated with the new data during "copy"? Yes, and indexes are upda

Re: [GENERAL] Server Shutting Down

2009-03-11 Thread Bob Pawley
What log should I get and how do I get it?? Bob - Original Message - From: "Adrian Klaver" To: "Bob Pawley" Cc: "PostgreSQL" ; "Steve Crawford" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Server Shutting Down - "Bob Pawley" wrote: Other than shuttin

Re: [GENERAL] Question about \copy

2009-03-11 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:21 AM, John Wang wrote: > > > I have a table, for example, Product. It's index is Product_index. > > If I use \copy to load data into the table: > > \copy Product from data.txt > > Will the index, Product_index, also be updated with the new data during > "copy"? Yep.

Re: [GENERAL] Server Shutting Down

2009-03-11 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Bob Pawley wrote: > Other than shutting down unexpectedly the server works fine. Wait, do you mean the postgresql service, or the whole server (OS and all) shuts down? -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your

Re: [GENERAL] Server Shutting Down

2009-03-11 Thread Adrian Klaver
- "Bob Pawley" wrote: > Other than shutting down unexpectedly the server works fine. > > I now have the server running as a remote host on my computer. I have > been > running it on localhost. > > It was shutting down when I was attempting to connect with my > application. I > didn't thi

[GENERAL] Question about \copy

2009-03-11 Thread John Wang
I have a table, for example, Product. It's index is Product_index. If I use \copy to load data into the table: \copy Product from data.txt Will the index, Product_index, also be updated with the new data during "copy"? Thanks. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@

Re: [GENERAL] Server Shutting Down

2009-03-11 Thread Bob Pawley
Other than shutting down unexpectedly the server works fine. I now have the server running as a remote host on my computer. I have been running it on localhost. It was shutting down when I was attempting to connect with my application. I didn't think too much about it figuring I would find th

Re: [GENERAL] Suggestions for blocking user inserts during admin bulk loading.

2009-03-11 Thread Tom Lane
"Woody Woodring" writes: > The following is the procedure I use for updating the entire table, mac is > the primary key: > truncate master; > create temp_table; > COPY "temp_table" (mac, . . .) FROM stdin WITH DELIMITER AS '|'; > UPDATE master SET mac=temp_table.mac . . . FROM temp_table WHERE >

Re: [GENERAL] Server Shutting Down

2009-03-11 Thread Adrian Klaver
- "Bob Pawley" wrote: > Hi > > I've had the server shut itself down when attempting to connect, even > with > PG Admin. > > Is there anything I can do to ensure that the pg server continues to > run > during a connection? > > Bob We are going to need a bit more information. What do th

Re: [GENERAL] mdf

2009-03-11 Thread Steve Crawford
John R Pierce wrote: ... Access natively uses JET databases, which are .MDB not .MDF ... MDF? MDB? All looks the same late on Friday when you mind is shifting gears to the pint of Guinness waiting for you after work. :) Cheers, Steve -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@po

Re: [GENERAL] Server Shutting Down

2009-03-11 Thread Steve Crawford
Bob Pawley wrote: Hi I've had the server shut itself down when attempting to connect, even with PG Admin. Is there anything I can do to ensure that the pg server continues to run during a connection? Bob We're going to need a bit more to go on. Is it the whole server or just your backen

[GENERAL] Server Shutting Down

2009-03-11 Thread Bob Pawley
Hi I've had the server shut itself down when attempting to connect, even with PG Admin. Is there anything I can do to ensure that the pg server continues to run during a connection? Bob -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscri

Re: [GENERAL] I don't want to back up index files

2009-03-11 Thread Grzegorz Jaśkiewicz
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> Any chance of something like this being done in the future? >> > > I am going to go out on a limb here and say, "no". That would probably be possible, by placing all indicies in a separate directory in data, but Well, that would crea

Re: [GENERAL] I don't want to back up index files

2009-03-11 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 18:54 -0700, Glen Parker wrote: > I am wondering the feasibility of having PG continue to work even if > non-essential indexes are gone or corrupt. I brought this basic concept > up at some point in the past, but now I have a different motivation, so > I want to strike up dis

Re: [GENERAL] Suggestions for blocking user inserts during admin bulk loading.

2009-03-11 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Woody Woodring wrote: > I have a table that users can update if the data is old.  Once a day I > update every entry in the table.  However I get primary key violations > occasionally which it seems a user inserted into the table while the bulk > insert is going on.

[GENERAL] Suggestions for blocking user inserts during admin bulk loading.

2009-03-11 Thread Woody Woodring
I have a table that users can update if the data is old. Once a day I update every entry in the table. However I get primary key violations occasionally which it seems a user inserted into the table while the bulk insert is going on. The following is the procedure I use for updating the entire t

Re: [GENERAL] tsearch2 dictionary for statute cites

2009-03-11 Thread Kevin Grittner
>>> Oleg Bartunov wrote: > On Tue, 10 Mar 2009, Tom Lane wrote: >> "Kevin Grittner" writes: >>> People are likely to search for statute cites, which tend to have a >>> hierarchical form. I'm not sure the prefix approach will work for >>> this. For example, there is a section 939.64 in the stat

Re: [GENERAL] C++ User-defined functions

2009-03-11 Thread George Oakman
Hi, Thank you Craig and Magnus for your answers. I have tried compiling with Visual Studio 2005 and I'm still getting those errors: c:\program files\postgresql\8.3\include\server\pg_config_os.h(188) : error C2011: 'timezone' : 'struct' type redefinition c:\program files\postgre

Re: [GENERAL] ERROR: table row type and query-specified row type do not match

2009-03-11 Thread Merlin Moncure
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Joseph S wrote: > After adding a date column to a table, I started getting these errors from > my triggers: > > ERROR:  table row type and query-specified row type do not match > DETAIL:  Query has too few columns. > > The triggers just did simple UPDATEs on table

Re: [GENERAL] upgrade from 7.4 to 8.3

2009-03-11 Thread Tom Lane
Marc Cuypers writes: > Can i only use nl_BE and UTF-8 now? > Why can't i use LATIN9 anymore? The server-side encoding has to be compatible with the locale. (7.4 didn't really *work* in this situation, as I'm surprised you failed to notice.) What you can do is keep the database encoding utf8, and

Re: [GENERAL] upgrade from 7.4 to 8.3

2009-03-11 Thread Marc Cuypers
Gregory Stark schreef: Marc Cuypers writes: Error: ERROR: encoding LATIN9 does not match server's locale nl_BE.utf8 SQL state: XX000 Detail: The server's LC_CTYPE setting requires encoding UTF8. Can i only use nl_BE and UTF-8 now? Why can't i use LATIN9 anymore? Is bacula 8.3 stricter in this

Re: [GENERAL] SOLVED upgrade from 7.4 to 8.3

2009-03-11 Thread Marc Cuypers
Thanks Clemens, Schwaighofer Clemens schreef: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 19:01, Marc Cuypers wrote: Thanks Tom, Only... One database was in LATIN9. When creating this database i got the same error. Command: CREATE DATABASE "hardsoft" WITH OWNER = postgres TEMPLATE = template0 ENCODING = 'L

Re: [GENERAL] Combine psql command with shell script

2009-03-11 Thread Alvaro Herrera
John Wang wrote: > > How to combine psql commands, such as "\copy", with shell script? Is > there any sample code? For example, I have 10 tables and want to user > the "\copy" command to import data from 10 different text files. I can > execute the "\copy" command 10 times. But it is not convenien

Re: [GENERAL] upgrade from 7.4 to 8.3

2009-03-11 Thread Gregory Stark
Marc Cuypers writes: > Error: > ERROR: encoding LATIN9 does not match server's locale nl_BE.utf8 > SQL state: XX000 > Detail: The server's LC_CTYPE setting requires encoding UTF8. > > Can i only use nl_BE and UTF-8 now? > Why can't i use LATIN9 anymore? > Is bacula 8.3 stricter in this respect to

Re: [GENERAL] upgrade from 7.4 to 8.3

2009-03-11 Thread Schwaighofer Clemens
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 19:01, Marc Cuypers wrote: > Thanks Tom, > > Only... > > One database was in LATIN9.  When creating this database i got the same > error. > > Command: > CREATE DATABASE "hardsoft" WITH OWNER = postgres TEMPLATE = template0 > ENCODING = 'LATIN9'; > > Error: > ERROR: encodin

Re: [GENERAL] upgrade from 7.4 to 8.3

2009-03-11 Thread Marc Cuypers
Thanks Tom, Tom Lane schreef: Marc Cuypers writes: Databases in 7.4 were encoded as utf-8. Now when importing postgresql gives the following error: ERROR: encoding UTF8 does not match server's locale en_US DETAIL: The server's LC_CTYPE setting requires encoding LATIN1. It looks like yo

Re: [GENERAL] tsearch2 dictionary for statute cites

2009-03-11 Thread Oleg Bartunov
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009, Tom Lane wrote: "Kevin Grittner" writes: People are likely to search for statute cites, which tend to have a hierarchical form. I'm not sure the prefix approach will work for this. For example, there is a section 939.64 in the state statutes dealing with commission of a