Re: [GENERAL] SQL Transaction related

2007-05-09 Thread A. Kretschmer
am Thu, dem 10.05.2007, um 2:24:40 -0400 mailte Harpreet Dhaliwal folgendes: > Hi, > > I have a transaction like following: > > BEGIN > > INSERT INTO tbl_xyz VALUES (val1, val2); > > SELECT INTO wid MAX(val1) FROM tbl_xyz; > > END; > > My question is in the SELECT INTO statement

Re: [GENERAL] SQL Transaction related

2007-05-09 Thread Uwe C. Schroeder
Yes it will. Everything INSIDE ONE transaction is visible to that exact transaction. So in your scenario the val1 from the select will see what was inserted - just any other transaction won't unless the current one is committed. Uwe On Wednesday 09 May 2007, Harpreet Dhaliwal wrote: > Hi, >

[GENERAL] SQL Transaction related

2007-05-09 Thread Harpreet Dhaliwal
Hi, I have a transaction like following: BEGIN INSERT INTO tbl_xyz VALUES (val1, val2); SELECT INTO wid MAX(val1) FROM tbl_xyz; END; My question is in the SELECT INTO statement, will I get the value of val1 from the INSERT INTO in the same transaction even though the transaction has n

Re: [GENERAL] In theory question

2007-05-09 Thread Naz Gassiep
> I have always found MySQL's query cache to be utterly useless. > > Think about it this way : > > It only works for tables that seldom change. > It does not work for big tables (like the posts table of a forum) > because the cache would have to be huge. > > So, the most freque

Re: [GENERAL] IP Address Validation

2007-05-09 Thread Michael Fuhr
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 12:22:37AM -0400, Jasbinder Singh Bali wrote: > I need to check whether the input string is in ip address format or not in > one of my pl/pgsql functions. > What function should be used to accomplish this > > I tried using > if inet(strInput) > > However, it throws an exce

Re: [GENERAL] Replication for PG 8 recommendations

2007-05-09 Thread David Wall
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 14:40 -0700, David Wall wrote: Is there a "preferred" replication system for PG 8 db users? Obviously, we're looking for robustness, ease of operations/installation, low latency and efficient with system and network resources, with an active open source community bei

[GENERAL] IP Address Validation

2007-05-09 Thread Jasbinder Singh Bali
Hi, I need to check whether the input string is in ip address format or not in one of my pl/pgsql functions. What function should be used to accomplish this I tried using if inet(strInput) However, it throws an exception if the input string is not in IP address format. I could have caught this

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Brent Wood
Joshua D. Drake wrote: Brent Wood wrote: Ashish Karalkar wrote: Thanks Brent for your replay, What about the Disadvantages, Performance issues? As far as I'm aware, performance is the only real disadvantage. What performance are we talking about here? Executing from a view although has *

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/09/07 20:21, Dann Corbit wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:pgsql-general- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Johnson >> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 6:07 PM >> To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org >> Subject:

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Dann Corbit
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:pgsql-general- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 6:07 PM > To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Michael Glaesemann
On May 9, 2007, at 19:58 , Joshua D. Drake wrote: Brent Wood wrote: Ashish Karalkar wrote: Thanks Brent for your replay, What about the Disadvantages, Performance issues? As far as I'm aware, performance is the only real disadvantage. What performance are we talking about here? Executing

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/09/07 15:18, Dann Corbit wrote: [snip] > > That is a significant achievement, since many database systems do not > have that ability. Maybe (probably!) back in the Oracle 6 days, but cost-based optimizers have done this for *years*. - -- Ron J

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Brent Wood wrote: Ashish Karalkar wrote: Thanks Brent for your replay, What about the Disadvantages, Performance issues? As far as I'm aware, performance is the only real disadvantage. What performance are we talking about here? Executing from a view although has *some* overhead, I don't

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Brent Wood
Ashish Karalkar wrote: Thanks Brent for your replay, What about the Disadvantages, Performance issues? As far as I'm aware, performance is the only real disadvantage. I tend to break DB design into stages: ER modelling to define the entities/relationships the DB needs to store/represent N

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Richard Broersma Jr
--- Reece Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I believe that you're mistaken, and you can see it rather easily by > explaining a select on a view (or even a view of views). For example: > View definition: > SELECT pa.palias_id, pv.pseq_id, pa.origin_id, pa.alias, > pa.descr,

Re: [GENERAL] Replication for PG 8 recommendations

2007-05-09 Thread Jeff Davis
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 14:40 -0700, David Wall wrote: > Is there a "preferred" replication system for PG 8 db users? Obviously, > we're looking for robustness, ease of operations/installation, low > latency and efficient with system and network resources, with an active > open source community b

Re: [GENERAL] In theory question

2007-05-09 Thread David Fetter
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 10:29:02AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Naz Gassiep wrote: > >Hannes Dorbath wrote: > >>I think this is close to what MySQL's query cache does. The question > >>is if this should be the job of the DBMS and not another layer. At > >>least the pgmemcache author and I think

Re: [GENERAL] CentOS 5, pg8.4.2, could not read time zone file

2007-05-09 Thread Devrim GÜNDÜZ
Hi, On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 12:51 -0400, Wade Hampton wrote: > The build of rhel src rpm failed due to "This platform is not thread > safe. Check the file 'config.lg' fo rthe exact reason." Is this CentOS 5 final? I saw this issue in a beta release of RHEL5, but I saw that it is fixed in final re

[GENERAL] Replication for PG 8 recommendations

2007-05-09 Thread David Wall
Is there a "preferred" replication system for PG 8 db users? Obviously, we're looking for robustness, ease of operations/installation, low latency and efficient with system and network resources, with an active open source community being preferred. Thanks, David ---(

Re: [GENERAL] In theory question

2007-05-09 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Alvaro Herrera wrote: Joshua D. Drake wrote: Karsten Hilbert wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 10:29:02AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: This is exactly what I was asking about. So my theoretical idea has already been implemented. Now if only *all* my ideas were done for me by the time I came up

Re: [GENERAL] In theory question

2007-05-09 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Karsten Hilbert wrote: > >On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 10:29:02AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > >>>This is exactly what I was asking about. So my theoretical idea has > >>>already been implemented. Now if only *all* my ideas were done for me by > >>>the time I came up with

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Reece Hart
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 12:02 -0700, Dann Corbit wrote: > Views can hide important information from the optimizer (especially > index information). I believe that you're mistaken, and you can see it rather easily by explaining a select on a view (or even a view of views). For example: [EMA

[GENERAL] WAL file internals and why a 64 bit will not work on a 32 bit

2007-05-09 Thread Dhaval Shah
I do know that WAL files taken from a 64 bit OS will not work on a 32 bit OS. However I have to prepare a technical answer to this. That is, questions like - why a WAL file from 64 bit will not work in 32 bit. Also does the WAL file differ for same architecture but different kind of partitions?

Re: [GENERAL] In theory question

2007-05-09 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Karsten Hilbert wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 10:29:02AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: This is exactly what I was asking about. So my theoretical idea has already been implemented. Now if only *all* my ideas were done for me by the time I came up with them :) Then you wouldn't be able to even

Re: [GENERAL] In theory question

2007-05-09 Thread Karsten Hilbert
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 10:29:02AM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >This is exactly what I was asking about. So my theoretical idea has > >already been implemented. Now if only *all* my ideas were done for me by > >the time I came up with them :) > > Then you wouldn't be able to eventually patent

Re: [GENERAL] Problem with data corruption and psql memory usage

2007-05-09 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 11:18, Gerhard Wiesinger wrote: > Hello Tom! > > I don't think this is a hardware problem. Machine runs 24/7 for around 4 > years without any problems, daily backup with GBs of data to it, > uptimes to the next kernel security patch, etc. > > The only problem I could belie

Re: [GENERAL] Dangers of fsync = off

2007-05-09 Thread Brad Nicholson
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 08:26 -0600, Scott Ribe wrote: > > I still wouldn't trust Slony with fsync off. Another scenario would be > > the Slony trigger writes a change to the Slony DB, the db crashes before > > it gets committed to disk. When the DB is started, no errors prevent > > startup, but th

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Views can hide important information from the optimizer (especially index information). Really? AIUI, views-at least in PostgreSQL-are implemented using PostgreSQL's rule system: the entire query is rewritten to include the view query, and the optimizer sees the rewritten query. What the optimi

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Dann Corbit wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:pgsql-general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ashish Karalkar Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:36 AM To: Andrej Ricnik-Bay; Ron Johnson Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadv

Re: [GENERAL] User restrictions

2007-05-09 Thread John DeSoi
On May 8, 2007, at 1:10 PM, ebmb wrote: how can I make user restrictions to commands like "\du; \l; \dn". Is it possible??? No. If you a user connect directly to the database, they can query the system catalogs. So even if you somehow disabled the psql command, they could still execute s

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Dann Corbit
> -Original Message- > From: Michael Glaesemann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:14 PM > To: Dann Corbit > Cc: Ashish Karalkar; Andrej Ricnik-Bay; Ron Johnson; pgsql- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages > > > On May

Re: [GENERAL] Audit-trail engine: getting the application's layer user_id

2007-05-09 Thread Tilmann Singer
* Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20070509 21:14]: > Just replying to say a big thank you ... > I compiled the C extension with the > code you , did all the necessary logic and finally solved it. Thank you very > much for your help! I second that! I finally settle

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Michael Glaesemann
On May 9, 2007, at 14:02 , Dann Corbit wrote: Views can hide important information from the optimizer (especially index information). Really? AIUI, views—at least in PostgreSQL—are implemented using PostgreSQL's rule system: the entire query is rewritten to include the view query, and the

Re: [GENERAL] Audit-trail engine: getting the application's layer user_id

2007-05-09 Thread Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
Hi Manuel, Just replying to say a big thank you ... I compiled the C extension with the code you , did all the necessary logic and finally solved it. Thank you very much for your help! Thank you also to all the other who helped me! Marcelo. On 4/24/07, Manuel Sugawara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Dann Corbit
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:pgsql-general- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ashish Karalkar > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:36 AM > To: Andrej Ricnik-Bay; Ron Johnson > Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

[GENERAL] re Referential Integrity Flash Tutorial

2007-05-09 Thread Lou O'Quin
I have recommended many, many folks to the referential integrity flash tutorial that was posted in the old tech docs, whether ot not they were using PostgreSQL. Does anyone know where the tutorial was moved to??? the old address was http://techdocs.postgresql.org/college/002_referentialintegrity

Re: [GENERAL] In theory question

2007-05-09 Thread PFC
This may be a question for -hackers, but I don't like disturbing them unnecessarily. I've been having a look at memcached. I would like to ask, is there any reason that, theoretically, a similar caching system could be built right into the db serving daemon? I.e., the hash tables and libevent co

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Ilan Volow
On May 9, 2007, at 4:36 AM, Ashish Karalkar wrote: Thanks All for your replies, But then dont we have any disadvantage of using View??? With Reagrds Ashish... I once inherited a database that made extensive use of constants in views (a la magic numbers) as well as had several instance

Re: [GENERAL] CentOS 5, pg8.4.2, could not read time zone file

2007-05-09 Thread Tom Lane
"Wade Hampton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 5/9/07, Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Anyway, having been burnt before I always wonder about SELinux whenever >> any strange permission failures turn up on recent RHEL/Fedora systems. > SELinux is off and there were no avc denied messages in

Re: [GENERAL] In theory question

2007-05-09 Thread Naz Gassiep
>> This is exactly what I was asking about. So my theoretical idea has >> already been implemented. Now if only *all* my ideas were done for me by >> the time I came up with them :) > > Then you wouldn't be able to eventually patent them ;) What an un-BSD licensish thing to say :P --

Re: [GENERAL] In theory question

2007-05-09 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Naz Gassiep wrote: Hannes Dorbath wrote: I think this is close to what MySQL's query cache does. The question is if this should be the job of the DBMS and not another layer. At least the pgmemcache author and I think that it's better done outside the DBMS. See http://people.FreeBSD.org/~seanc/pg

Re: [GENERAL] In theory question

2007-05-09 Thread Naz Gassiep
Hannes Dorbath wrote: > I think this is close to what MySQL's query cache does. The question > is if this should be the job of the DBMS and not another layer. At > least the pgmemcache author and I think that it's better done outside > the DBMS. See > http://people.FreeBSD.org/~seanc/pgmemcache/pgm

Re: [GENERAL] PITR and tar

2007-05-09 Thread Jeff Davis
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 11:40 -0500, Jim Nasby wrote: > Actually, looking at the docs, the problem is with some versions of > GNU tar. AFAIK bsdtar is perfectly happy to archive files that have > changed from underneath it. > $ tar --version bsdtar 1.2.53 - libarchive 1.3.1 That fails to creat

Re: [GENERAL] CentOS 5, pg8.4.2, could not read time zone file

2007-05-09 Thread Wade Hampton
The build of rhel src rpm failed due to "This platform is not thread safe. Check the file 'config.lg' fo rthe exact reason." For now I am going back to 8.1.8 that came with CentOS 5. Thanks, -- Wade Hampton ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't '

Re: [GENERAL] CentOS 5, pg8.4.2, could not read time zone file

2007-05-09 Thread Wade Hampton
On 5/9/07, Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Wade Hampton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On my CentOS 5.0 box with the RHEL version of Postgresql 8.4.2, the > initial initdb step fails with the error > "WARNING: cold not read time zone file "Default" : permission denied. > FATAL: invali

Re: [GENERAL] PITR and tar

2007-05-09 Thread Jim Nasby
Actually, looking at the docs, the problem is with some versions of GNU tar. AFAIK bsdtar is perfectly happy to archive files that have changed from underneath it. On May 9, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Dhaval Shah wrote: Looks like a problem specific to FreeBSD. I use Centos/postgres 8.2.3 and I do

Re: [GENERAL] problem with a conditional statement

2007-05-09 Thread Kirk Wythers
On May 9, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Erik Jones wrote: On May 9, 2007, at 10:32 AM, Kirk Wythers wrote: Here is a more elaborate version, I'm trying to add 'avgsol' to your original FROM clause: SELECT CASE WHEN w.station_id = site_near.station_id THEN w.obs_id ELSE s.obs_id END AS obs_id, si

Re: [GENERAL] Problem with data corruption and psql memory usage

2007-05-09 Thread Tom Lane
Gerhard Wiesinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The only problem I could believe is: > I'm running the FC7 test packages of postgresql in FC6 and maybe there is > a slight glibc library conflict or any other incompatibility. Hmm, I'd be suspicious of that too. You'd be well advised to take the F

Re: [GENERAL] Problem with data corruption and psql memory usage

2007-05-09 Thread Gerhard Wiesinger
Hello Tom! I don't think this is a hardware problem. Machine runs 24/7 for around 4 years without any problems, daily backup with GBs of data to it, uptimes to the next kernel security patch, etc. The only problem I could believe is: I'm running the FC7 test packages of postgresql in FC6 and

Re: [GENERAL] PITR and tar

2007-05-09 Thread Dhaval Shah
Looks like a problem specific to FreeBSD. I use Centos/postgres 8.2.3 and I do not see that problem at all. Dhaval On 5/8/07, Jeff Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 13:24 -0400, Merlin Moncure wrote: > On 5/8/07, Jeff Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-05-08

Re: [GENERAL] problem with a conditional statement

2007-05-09 Thread Erik Jones
On May 9, 2007, at 10:32 AM, Kirk Wythers wrote: Here is a more elaborate version, I'm trying to add 'avgsol' to your original FROM clause: SELECT CASE WHEN w.station_id = site_near.station_id THEN w.obs_id ELSE s.obs_id END AS obs_id, site_near.station_id, site_near.longname, w.year, w.

Re: [GENERAL] In theory question

2007-05-09 Thread Tom Lane
Naz Gassiep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I.e., the hash tables and libevent could sit on top of postmaster as an > optional component caching data on a per-query basis and only hitting > the actual db in the event of a cache miss? How does the cache know when the database contents change?

Re: [GENERAL] problem with a conditional statement

2007-05-09 Thread Kirk Wythers
Here is a more elaborate version, I'm trying to add 'avgsol' to your original FROM clause: SELECT CASE WHEN w.station_id = site_near.station_id THEN w.obs_id ELSE s.obs_id END AS obs_id, site_near.station_id, site_near.longname, w.year, w.doy, w.precip, w.tmin, w.tmax, --replace missing val

Re: [GENERAL] In theory question

2007-05-09 Thread Erik Jones
On May 9, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Hannes Dorbath wrote: On 09.05.2007 16:13, Naz Gassiep wrote: This may be a question for -hackers, but I don't like disturbing them unnecessarily. I've been having a look at memcached. I would like to ask, is there any reason that, theoretically, a similar cachi

Re: [GENERAL] CentOS 5, pg8.4.2, could not read time zone file

2007-05-09 Thread Tom Lane
"Wade Hampton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On my CentOS 5.0 box with the RHEL version of Postgresql 8.4.2, the > initial initdb step fails with the error > "WARNING: cold not read time zone file "Default" : permission denied. > FATAL: invalid value for parameter "timezone_abbreviations": "

Re: [GENERAL] In theory question

2007-05-09 Thread Hannes Dorbath
On 09.05.2007 16:13, Naz Gassiep wrote: This may be a question for -hackers, but I don't like disturbing them unnecessarily. I've been having a look at memcached. I would like to ask, is there any reason that, theoretically, a similar caching system could be built right into the db serving daemo

Re: [GENERAL] CentOS 5, pg8.4.2, could not read time zone file

2007-05-09 Thread Hannes Dorbath
On 09.05.2007 16:51, Wade Hampton wrote: On my CentOS 5.0 box with the RHEL version of Postgresql 8.4.2, the Hey, that's what I call bleeding edge ;) initial initdb step fails with the error "WARNING: cold not read time zone file "Default" : permission denied. FATAL: invalid value for pa

Re: [GENERAL] PG on Debian 4.0.x ?

2007-05-09 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 05/09/07 09:13, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > [snip] > > > > I tried it here and it didn't work because it only has packages for > > i386, and my system is amd64. However, I got it by source with > > Your build environment is

Re: [GENERAL] PG on Debian 4.0.x ?

2007-05-09 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/09/07 09:13, Alvaro Herrera wrote: [snip] > > I tried it here and it didn't work because it only has packages for > i386, and my system is amd64. However, I got it by source with Your build environment is somehow broken. The same deb-src shou

Re: [GENERAL] Problem with data corruption and psql memory usage

2007-05-09 Thread Tom Lane
Gerhard Wiesinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > LOG: could not fsync segment 0 of relation 1663/16386/42726: Input/output > error [ raised eyebrow... ] I think your machine is flakier than you believe. This error is particularly damning, but the general pattern of weird failures all over the pl

[GENERAL] CentOS 5, pg8.4.2, could not read time zone file

2007-05-09 Thread Wade Hampton
On my CentOS 5.0 box with the RHEL version of Postgresql 8.4.2, the initial initdb step fails with the error "WARNING: cold not read time zone file "Default" : permission denied. FATAL: invalid value for parameter "timezone_abbreviations": "Default" A search of the mail list and google showe

Re: [GENERAL] In theory question

2007-05-09 Thread Michael Glaesemann
On May 9, 2007, at 9:13 , Naz Gassiep wrote: I've been having a look at memcached. I would like to ask, is there any reason that, theoretically, a similar caching system could be built right into the db serving daemon? This is all a bit above my head, but have you looked at pgmemcached? ht

Re: [GENERAL] are foreign keys realized as indexes?

2007-05-09 Thread Tom Lane
Felix Kater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 8 May 2007 15:54:08 +0200 > Martijn van Oosterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> A unique index is not a "substitute" for a unique constraint, they're >> exactly the same thing. > Yes. For this reason I didn't have to implement *both* 'unique > con

Re: [GENERAL] Dangers of fsync = off

2007-05-09 Thread Scott Ribe
> I still wouldn't trust Slony with fsync off. Another scenario would be > the Slony trigger writes a change to the Slony DB, the db crashes before > it gets committed to disk. When the DB is started, no errors prevent > startup, but that transaction is lost. I'm not sure, but I think the questi

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Merlin Moncure
On 5/9/07, Ashish Karalkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks Brent for your replay, What about the Disadvantages, Performance issues [of views] Views are pretty much neutral from a performance perspective. There are certain small considerations here and there to think about but you should re

Re: [GENERAL] PG on Debian 4.0.x ?

2007-05-09 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Dimitri Fontaine wrote: > Le mardi 08 mai 2007, Andreas a écrit : > > Do you know where I find PG 8.2.4 and pgAdmin 1.6.3 binaries for Debian > > 4.0.x ? > > For server-side debian stable, you can build yourself the package by simply > following those steps : > 1. have your deb-src line (from /e

[GENERAL] In theory question

2007-05-09 Thread Naz Gassiep
This may be a question for -hackers, but I don't like disturbing them unnecessarily. I've been having a look at memcached. I would like to ask, is there any reason that, theoretically, a similar caching system could be built right into the db serving daemon? I.e., the hash tables and libevent cou

Re: [GENERAL] Dangers of fsync = off

2007-05-09 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Csaba Nagy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > [snip] Take the example of a query "UPDATE tablename SET x = x + 1". > > When this query is erroneously issued twice, data corruption will occur. > > Huh ? I thought slony is replicating data, not queries... what on the > master is "UPDATE tablen

Re: [GENERAL] Dangers of fsync = off

2007-05-09 Thread Csaba Nagy
> [snip] Take the example of a query "UPDATE tablename SET x = x + 1". > When this query is erroneously issued twice, data corruption will occur. Huh ? I thought slony is replicating data, not queries... what on the master is "UPDATE tablename SET x = x + 1" will translate to "UPDATE tablename SET

Re: [GENERAL] Issue with database Postgresql :(

2007-05-09 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Am Dienstag, 8. Mai 2007 19:20 schrieb Gerard M: > Whenever I try to save a word containing "special" characters in it > (for example áéíóú) I get the following django error: > "invalid byte sequence for encoding "UTF8": 0xe92020 HINT: This error > can also happen if the byte sequence does not matc

Re: [GENERAL] Dangers of fsync = off

2007-05-09 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Joel Dice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Thanks for your response, Andrew. > > On Tue, 8 May 2007, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > > > On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 08:54:10AM -0600, Joel Dice wrote: > >> > >> My next question is this: what are the dangers of turning fsync off in the > >> context of a

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread woodb
> On 5/9/07, Ashish Karalkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello All, > Can anybody please point me to Advantages and Disadvantages > of using view Hi Ashish, There are several, but they are generally about implementing a more user friendly database from a well normalised structure. You can us

[GENERAL] Issue with database Postgresql :(

2007-05-09 Thread Gerard M
Hello dear postgres community, I'm having a bad time with an issue that I haven't been able to solve with my database, the problem is this: Whenever I try to save a word containing "special" characters in it (for example áéíóú) I get the following django error: "invalid byte sequence for encoding "

[GENERAL] User restrictions

2007-05-09 Thread ebmb
Hi all, how can I make user restrictions to commands like "\du; \l; \dn". Is it possible??? Thanks in advance! EBMB. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

[GENERAL] Problem with data corruption and psql memory usage

2007-05-09 Thread Gerhard Wiesinger
Hello! I'm new to Postgresql and I did make some import with about 2.8 Mio with normal insert commands. Config was (difference from default config): listen_addresses = '*' temp_buffers = 20MB# min 800kB work_mem = 20MB# min 64kB maintenance_w

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSql embedded available?

2007-05-09 Thread Austin Winstanley
Thanks for the replies and help everyone... On 5/8/07, Rich Shepard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 8 May 2007, Scott Marlowe wrote: >> Is there a version of PostgreSql that can be embedded with an >> application? > Nope, and it's not real likely to happen. Take a look at sqllite. Y

Re: [GENERAL] Dangers of fsync = off

2007-05-09 Thread Joel Dice
Thanks for your response, Andrew. On Tue, 8 May 2007, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 08:54:10AM -0600, Joel Dice wrote: My next question is this: what are the dangers of turning fsync off in the context of a high-availablilty cluster using asynchronous replication? My real q

[GENERAL] Solaris Postgresql 8.1.8 vs Postgresql 8.2.4

2007-05-09 Thread Simon Smith
I am planning to set up a new solaris 10 sparc server with a postgresql database. It looks like solaris 10 comes with version 8.1.8 of postgres. Is there any benefit in using the 8.1.8 included solaris version over the current release. The sun site mentions several enhancement to the solaris

Re: [GENERAL] PG on Debian 4.0.x ?

2007-05-09 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Le mardi 08 mai 2007, Andreas a écrit : > Do you know where I find PG 8.2.4 and pgAdmin 1.6.3 binaries for Debian > 4.0.x ? For server-side debian stable, you can build yourself the package by simply following those steps : 1. have your deb-src line (from /etc/apt/sources.list) point to sid 2.

Re: [GENERAL] typical schema for a forum?

2007-05-09 Thread PFC
I have written a little PHP+postgres forum for benchmarking purposes, to see how fast postgres could go. It has basic forum features, like forums (duh), topics, posting, pagination, watching topics, topic & post count, display newest topic and post in topic & forum pages, templates, topic

Re: [GENERAL] PG on Debian 4.0.x ?

2007-05-09 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/09/07 04:33, Hannes Dorbath wrote: > On 09.05.2007 10:43, Peter Eisentraut wrote: >> Right now you can't, at least not from official or semiofficial >> sources. I expect in a few weeks time, backports will show up on >> backports.org. > > .. an

Re: [GENERAL] backup and restore

2007-05-09 Thread anhtin
thanks reply for me but have propblem: the function pg_start_backup() i dont run this function Can u send me example is a procedure or function can backup and restore for me -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/backup-and-restore-tf3714247.html#a10391372 Sent from the Pos

Re: [GENERAL] are foreign keys realized as indexes?

2007-05-09 Thread Felix Kater
On Tue, 8 May 2007 15:54:08 +0200 Martijn van Oosterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A unique index is not a "substitute" for a unique constraint, they're > exactly the same thing. If you drop your constraint and create a > unique index, you're back where you started. You neither added nor > remo

Re: [GENERAL] pg_contraint: 'action code' ?

2007-05-09 Thread Felix Kater
On Tue, 08 May 2007 10:03:24 -0400 Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * the FKCONSTR_MATCH_xxx constants defined in parsenodes.h. True! ;-) Thank you so much. Felix ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend

Re: [GENERAL] PG on Debian 4.0.x ?

2007-05-09 Thread Hannes Dorbath
On 09.05.2007 10:43, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Right now you can't, at least not from official or semiofficial sources. I expect in a few weeks time, backports will show up on backports.org. .. and this is what people consider `stable' then? Hacked versions of applications somehow made to work

Re: [GENERAL] backup and restore

2007-05-09 Thread Hannes Dorbath
On 09.05.2007 09:45, anhtin wrote: hi all I am developing web site use database is PostGres and now i must build function backup and Restore database on Web My web develop on framework 2.0(asp.net 2.0) I know have two file on forder bin use backup and restore is: pg_restore.exe , pg_dump.exe I ha

[GENERAL] typical schema for a forum?

2007-05-09 Thread Louis-David Mitterrand
Hi, I'm trying to implement a forum with mason and postgresql. What is the typical database schema of a forum (threaded or flat) application? Thanks, ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/09/07 03:48, Ashish Karalkar wrote: > Ok. That is on insert update delete part. > ant disadvantage on select part? Performance-wise? No. Both an advantage and disadvantage of views is that it codifies certain queries in the database. P.S. - t

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Ashish Karalkar
Ok. That is on insert update delete part. ant disadvantage on select part? With Regards Ashish... - Original Message - From: "Ron Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages -BEGIN PGP SIGNED

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/09/07 03:36, Ashish Karalkar wrote: > Thanks All for your replies, > But then dont we have any disadvantage of using View??? You can't insert into multi-table views. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a

Re: [GENERAL] PG on Debian 4.0.x ?

2007-05-09 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Am Dienstag, 8. Mai 2007 18:09 schrieb Andreas: > Do you know where I find PG 8.2.4 and pgAdmin 1.6.3 binaries for Debian > 4.0.x ? Right now you can't, at least not from official or semiofficial sources. I expect in a few weeks time, backports will show up on backports.org. -- Peter Eisentrau

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Ragnar
On mið, 2007-05-09 at 12:46 +0530, Ashish Karalkar wrote: > I have found out some of them n are as follows, but I want more reasons > for not using views . I only got one > > Disadvantages: > 1) Performance : If a view is defined by complex multitable query,then > simple query against

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Ashish Karalkar
Thanks All for your replies, But then dont we have any disadvantage of using View??? With Reagrds Ashish... - Original Message - From: "Andrej Ricnik-Bay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ron Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Vi

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Andrej Ricnik-Bay
On 5/9/07, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1) Performance : If a view is defined by complex multitable > query,then simple query against that view becomes a coplecated > join, and it may take a long time to complete I don't see that as relevant, since we know which objects are table

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/09/07 02:16, Ashish Karalkar wrote: [snip] > Disadvantages: > > > > 1) Performance : If a view is defined by complex multitable > query,then simple query against that view becomes a coplecated > join, and it may take a long time to compl

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Ashish Karalkar
Thanks Brent for your replay, What about the Disadvantages, Performance issues? With Regards Ashish... - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Postgres General" Cc: "Ashish Karalkar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Vi

[GENERAL] backup and restore

2007-05-09 Thread anhtin
hi all I am developing web site use database is PostGres and now i must build function backup and Restore database on Web My web develop on framework 2.0(asp.net 2.0) I know have two file on forder bin use backup and restore is: pg_restore.exe , pg_dump.exe I have plan is write function or procedu

Re: [GENERAL] Views- Advantages and Disadvantages

2007-05-09 Thread Ashish Karalkar
Thanks Andrej for your replay I have found out some of them n are as follows, but I want more reasons for not using views . I only got one Advantages: 1) Permission to user can be given to access the database only through view containing specific data the user is authorized to see