Re: Perl6 and "accents"

2010-05-18 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer
Tom Christiansen wrote: Exegesis 5 @ http://dev.perl.org/perl6/doc/design/exe/E05.html reads: # Perl 6 / < - [A-Za-z] >+ / # All alphabetics except A-Z or a-z # (i.e. the accented alphabetics) [Update: Would now need to be <+ - [A..Za..z]> to avoid

Re: Perl6 and "accents"

2010-05-18 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer
Tom Christiansen wrote: Certainly it's perfectly well known amongst people who deal with letters--including with the Unicode standard. "Accent" does have a colloquial meaning that maps correctly, but sadly that colloquial definition does not correspond to the technical definition, so in being

Re: Perl6 and "accents"

2010-05-18 Thread Moritz Lenz
FYI, Larry "accents" to "marks" in this commit, as well as some refactoring of the short adverbs associated with them: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.language/2010/05/msg33671.html Thanks, Moritz

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2010-05-18 Thread nigelsandever
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2010-05-18 Thread nigelsandever
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Re: Parallelism and Concurrency was Re: Ideas for a (nntp: message (nntp: message 18 of 20) 14 of 20) "Object-Belongs-to-Thread" threading model

2010-05-18 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Em Dom, 2010-05-16 às 19:34 +0100, nigelsande...@btconnect.com escreveu: > 3) The tough-y: Closed-over variables. > These are tough because it exposes lexicals to sharing, but they are so > natural to use, it is hard to suggest banning their use in concurrent > routines. This is the point

Re: Parallelism and Concurrency was Re: Ideas for a (nntp: message (nntp: message 18 of 20) 14 of 20) "Object-Belongs-to-Thread" threading model

2010-05-18 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Em Dom, 2010-05-16 às 19:34 +0100, nigelsande...@btconnect.com escreveu: > Interoperability with Perl 5 and > is reference counting should not be a high priority in the decision making > process for defining the Perl 6 concurrency model. If we drop that requirement then we can simply go to the

Re: Parallelism and Concurrency was Re: Ideas for a (nntp: message (nntp: message 18 of 20) 14 of 20) "Object-Belongs-to-Thread" threading model

2010-05-18 Thread nigelsandever
On Tue, 18 May 2010 11:39:04 +0100, Daniel Ruoso wrote: This is the point I was trying to address, actually. Having *only* explicitly shared variables makes it very cumbersome to write threaded code, specially because explicitly shared variables have a lot of restrictions on what they can be (t

Re: Parallelism and Concurrency was Re: Ideas for a (nntp: message (nntp: message 18 of 20) 14 of 20) "Object-Belongs-to-Thread" threading model

2010-05-18 Thread nigelsandever
On Tue, 18 May 2010 11:41:08 +0100, Daniel Ruoso wrote: Em Dom, 2010-05-16 às 19:34 +0100, nigelsande...@btconnect.com escreveu: Interoperability with Perl 5 and is reference counting should not be a high priority in the decision making process for defining the Perl 6 concurrency model. I

Parrot 2.4.0 "Sulfur Crest"

2010-05-18 Thread Andrew Whitworth
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Re: Parallelism and Concurrency was Re: Ideas for a (nntp: message (nntp: message 18 of 20) 14 of 20) "Object-Belongs-to-Thread" threading model

2010-05-18 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Em Ter, 2010-05-18 às 15:15 +0100, nigelsande...@btconnect.com escreveu: > > 1) the interpreter doesn't need to detect the closed over variables, so > > even string eval'ed access to such variables would work (which is, imho, > > a good thing) > You'd have to explain further for me to understand wh

Re: Re: Parallelism and Concurrency was Re: Ideas for a"Object-Belongs-to-Thread" (nntp: message 4 of 20) threading model (nntp: message 20 of 20 -lastone!-) (nntp: message 13 of 20)

2010-05-18 Thread Alex Elsayed
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:19 AM, wrote: > The guts of the discussion has been kernel threading (and mutable shared > state) is necessary. The perception being that by using user-threading (on > a single core at a time), you avoid the need for and complexities of > locking and synchronisation. And

Re: Re: Parallelism and Concurrency was Re: Ideas for a"Object-Belongs-to-Thread" (nntp: message 4 of 20) threading model (nntp: message 20 of 20 -lastone!-) (nntp: message 13 of 20)

2010-05-18 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Em Ter, 2010-05-18 às 12:58 -0700, Alex Elsayed escreveu: > You are imposing a false dichotomy here. Neither 'green' threads nor kernel > threads preclude each other. In fact, it can be convincingly argued that they > work _best_ when combined. Please look at the GSoC proposal for hybrid > threadi