On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 04:48:08PM -0700, Luke Palmer wrote:
> Austin Hastings writes:
> > "C" style C loops then look like:
> >
> > for (($a = 0; $b = $num_elts); $a < @arry; ($a++; $b -= $offset)) {...}
>
> By which you mean
>
> loop ($a = 0; $b = $num_elts); $a < @arry; ($a++; $b -= $of
Adam Turoff wrote:
> Damian Conway wrote:
>
> > Perhaps this is yet another argument for insisting on:
> >
> > while do {$n++; $foo > $bar}
> >
> > instead.
>
> That looks like syntactic sugar for
>
> while (do) {$n++; $foo > $bar}
do is not merely prototyped, but a builtin. With
gt; while "do" {...} ## perl5 bareword
> > while do() {...}
> >
> > Luke's "then" feels like the best fit on the one hand, and the worst fit
> > on the other. Everything else feels worse, though.
>
> Hmm. Why not just explicitly al
> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Turoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 01:03:19PM +1100, Damian Conway wrote:
> > Schwern observed:
> > Perhaps this is yet another argument for insisting on:
> >
> > while do {$n++; $foo > $bar}
> >
> > instead.
>
> That looks li
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 01:46:39PM -0700, John Williams wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote:
> > or maybe throw some latin in there
> >
> > while $n++ et @accum < $total { ... }
> > while $n++ cum @accum < $total { ... } # maybe?
>
> I think "ac" is the latin c
Jonathan Scott Duff wrote:
> or maybe throw some latin in there
>
> while $n++ et @accum < $total { ... }
> while $n++ cum @accum < $total { ... } # maybe?
"Et," of course, is unsuitable as a direct synonym for "and."
I'm afraid that adding the second would cause Perl sourc
Damian Conway wrote:
> Micheal G. Schwern wrote:
>
> > It also doesn't convey anything about "evaluate the left
> > hand side, ignore the results and evaluate the right".
>
> I think that's exactly what it conveys:
>
> The suspect drank half a dozen double whiskys then drove
> into
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 01:03:19PM +1100, Damian Conway wrote:
> Schwern observed:
> >This may be a consequence of the example used
> >
> > while $n++ then $foo > $bar
> >
> >which I immediately associated with.
> >
> > if $n++ then $foo > $bar
>
> Yeah, I can certainly see that.
>
> Perh
On 2003-11-25 at 13:46:39, John Williams wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote:
> > or maybe throw some latin in there
> >
> > while $n++ et @accum < $total { ... }
> > while $n++ cum @accum < $total { ... } # maybe?
>
> I think "ac" is the latin conjunction you
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote:
> or maybe throw some latin in there
>
> while $n++ et @accum < $total { ... }
> while $n++ cum @accum < $total { ... } # maybe?
I think "ac" is the latin conjunction you want.
ac : conj. and, and also, and besides
Damian Conway writes:
> Perhaps this is yet another argument for insisting on:
>
> while do {$n++; $foo > $bar}
>
> instead.
Yes please! Is anybody here a fan of the C comma? I don't think I've
ever used it -- well, not intentionally, anyway -- but these a
++ also @accum < $total { ... }
or maybe throw some latin in there
while $n++ et @accum < $total { ... }
while $n++ cum @accum < $total { ... } # maybe?
but that's probably more obscure than the comma.
Okay, so I don't have any good ideas either, but I like "also" if
we're getting rid of the "C comma".
-Scott
--
Jonathan Scott Duff
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Schwern observed:
A lot of people read "if (foo) { bar }" as "if foo then bar" in their heads.
I'm one of them. Its not a previous syntax thing, its a translation to
English thing.
Fair enough. It's not something I do myself, but I can see that many people
might prefer to.
This may be a conseq
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 12:21:13PM +1100, Damian Conway wrote:
> >"then" sounds too much like "if/then" which is confusing.
>
> Why? "if/then" has never been Perl syntax.
A lot of people read "if (foo) { bar }" as "if foo then bar" in their heads.
I'm one of them. Its not a previous syntax thing
t will handle continue
differently inside the "do" part (right?), but it fits my mental model
nicely (this idea came from looking at looping constructs from Eiffel
as well as elsewhere and looking for the unifying stuff).
Regards,
-- Gregor
On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 16:00, Luke Palmer wr
I'm very much in favour of heteronymifying scalar vs list comma too.
Or else eliminating one of them.
Schwern wrote:
"then" sounds too much like "if/then" which is confusing.
Why? "if/then" has never been Perl syntax.
It also doesn't convey anything about "evaluate the left hand side, ignore
th
o convey.
It also doesn't convey anything about "evaluate the left hand side, ignore
the results and evaluate the right". Unfortunately, I don't have a better
name.
C
Of course I've always thought the semicolon would have been a better choice
for the "C comma". That
> Honestly you guys, I'm not trolling. I'm just getting a lot of ideas
> recently. :-)
Honestly, I'm not an expert on Perl 6 syntax. (And I actually am being
honest... ;-) But I'll throw in my 2 cents anyway. :-)
>
>
> This word: C.
>
> So, from a recent script of mine:
>
> my $n;
>
On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 05:00:38PM -0700, Luke Palmer wrote:
> The C comma has always bugged me, but its function is indeed useful
> (many times I use C in its place, if I know the left side will
> always be true). I don't know whether it's staying or not (I've heard
&g
Honestly you guys, I'm not trolling. I'm just getting a lot of ideas
recently. :-)
The C comma has always bugged me, but its function is indeed useful
(many times I use C in its place, if I know the left side will
always be true). I don't know whether it's staying or not (
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