On Sun, Feb 10, 2008 at 12:56:14PM +0300, Richard Hainsworth wrote:
> How - in sketch form - would I go about creating a module to do what I
> suggest? I am not suggesting someone writes a module I have suggested,
> but the barebones steps to creating a new metacharacter.
>
> I have written infi
Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote:
On Feb 9, 2008, at 11:43 , Richard Hainsworth wrote:
I posted an idea about pluralisation could be handled in a way that
would not be English-centric (Subject: interpolation
contextualisation). There were no responses to the idea. Was it so
bad? Did no one see
On Feb 9, 2008, at 11:43 , Richard Hainsworth wrote:
I posted an idea about pluralisation could be handled in a way that
would not be English-centric (Subject: interpolation
contextualisation). There were no responses to the idea. Was it so
bad? Did no one see it? Was it too un-perlish? Wa
Hi,
Warnocked!
Indeed :)
I posted an idea about pluralisation could be handled in a way that
would not be English-centric (Subject: interpolation
contextualisation). There were no responses to the idea. Was it so
bad? Did no one see it? Was it too un-perlish? Was the title too
horrible?
Th
Warnocked!
I posted an idea about pluralisation could be handled in a way that
would not be English-centric (Subject: interpolation contextualisation).
There were no responses to the idea. Was it so bad? Did no one see it?
Was it too un-perlish? Was the title too horrible?
The basic idea wou
On 2008-Jan-31, at 2:38 am, Mark Overmeer wrote:
* David Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [080131 08:48]:
I've always wanted a magic-S (and I don't think the anglocentrism
matters
In "the good old days" all computer OSes were anglo-centric. They are
not like that anymore. But Perl still is.
Wel
* David Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [080131 08:48]:
> I've always wanted a magic-S (and I don't think the anglocentrism
> matters, because Perl is already pretty anglocentric -- more so than
> plural S's, which apply to some other languages anyway).
In "the good old days" all computer OSes were
On 2008-Jan-26, at 9:58 am, Larry Wall wrote:
My first thought is that this is such a common idiom that we ought
to have some syntactic sugar for it:
say "Received $m message\s."
I've always wanted a magic-S (and I don't think the anglocentrism
matters, because Perl is already pretty angl
On 26 Jan., 17:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry Wall) wrote:
> Last night I got a message entitled: "yum: 1 Updates Available".
> Of course, that's probably just a Python programmer giving up on doing
> the right thing, but we see this sort of bletcherousness all the time.
>
> After a recent exchange o
Perl - when I first met it - was great because it handled text easily
and 'naturally'. I now use perl for everything, even when another
language would probably be better.
Perl6 has gone a long way to making things more universal by using
UNICODE, (The difficulties of non-Latin fonts and coding
* Larry Wall ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [080126 16:58]:
> Last night I got a message entitled: "yum: 1 Updates Available".
> After a recent exchange on PerlMonks about join, I've been thinking
> about the problem of pluralization in interpolated strings, where we
> get things like:
>
> say "Received
Larry Wall wrote:
> Last night I got a message entitled: "yum: 1 Updates Available".
> Of course, that's probably just a Python programmer giving up on doing
> the right thing, but we see this sort of bletcherousness all the time.
>
> After a recent exchange on PerlMonks about join, I've been thin
On Sat, Jan 26, 2008 at 18:43:50 -0800, Jonathan Lang wrote:
> Right. One last question: is this (i.e., extending a string's
> grammar) a "keep simple things simple" thing, or a "keep difficult
> things doable" thing?
I'm going to guess somewhere in between.
It should be about the same level of
Yuval Kogman wrote:
> You can subclass the grammar and change everything.
>
> Theoretically that's a "yes" =)
Right. One last question: is this (i.e., extending a string's
grammar) a "keep simple things simple" thing, or a "keep difficult
things doable" thing?
--
Jonathan "Dataweaver" Lang
On Sat, Jan 26, 2008 at 18:12:17 -0800, Jonathan Lang wrote:
> This _does_ appear to be something more suitable for a Locale::
> module. I just wonder if there are enough hooks in the core to allow
> for an appropriately brief syntax to be introduced in a module: can
> one roll one's own string "
On Sat, Jan 26, 2008 at 08:58:43AM -0800, Larry Wall wrote:
> Last night I got a message entitled: "yum: 1 Updates Available".
> Of course, that's probably just a Python programmer giving up on doing
> the right thing, but we see this sort of bletcherousness all the time.
>
> Any other cute ide
Gianni Ceccarelli wrote:
> Please don't put this in the language. The problem is harder than it
> seems (there are European languages that pluralize differently on $X %
> 10, IIRC; 0 is singular or plural depending on the language, etc etc).
-snip-
> I know Perl is not "minimal", but sometimes I
On Sat, Jan 26, 2008 at 02:36:32PM -0800, chromatic wrote:
>
> Nearly pain-free l10n and i18n *is* kind of a killer feature though.
+1
> -- c
>
--
Its only English centric if the idea is fixed to plurals, because its
only for plurals where English words are mutated by grammar rules.
In other languages, words are mutated by other factors, such as the
gender of the word, the case, and the number.
The problem can be quite difficult, say in
On 2008-01-26 Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Last night I got a message entitled: "yum: 1 Updates Available".
> [snip a lot]
> I think that probably handles most of the Indo-European cases, and
> anything more complicated can revert to explicit code. (Or go though
> a localization diction
On Sat, Jan 26, 2008 at 08:58:43AM -0800, Larry Wall wrote:
> After a recent exchange on PerlMonks about join, I've been thinking
> about the problem of pluralization in interpolated strings, where we
> get things like:
>
> say "Received $m message{ 1==$m ?? '' !! 's' }."
>
> My first thought
At 8:58 AM -0800 1/26/08, Larry Wall wrote:
My first thought is that this is such a common idiom that we ought
to have some syntactic sugar for it:
say "Received $m message\s."
I don't think that a feature like this should be in the core
language; it is too complicated as well as an open-
On Saturday 26 January 2008 08:58:43 Larry Wall wrote:
> That would cover most of the cases for English speakers using regular
> nouns, but I wonder whether there's some kind of generalization that
> would help for cases like:
>
> say "There was/were $o ox/oxen"
That makes me wish for a subju
To me this sounds like
use Lingua::EN::Pluralize::DSL;
which would overload your grammar locally to parse strings this way.
However, due to i18n reasons this should not be in the core.
It might make sense to ship a slightly modernized Locale::MakeText
with Perl 6 so that it can be used
Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
On 26/01/2008, Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
After a recent exchange on PerlMonks about join, I've been thinking
about the problem of pluralization in interpolated strings, where we
get things like:
say "Received $m message{ 1==$m ?? '' !! 's' }."
...
Any
"Jonathan Lang" schreef:
> I'm not fond of the 'ox\soxen' idea; but I could get behind something
> like '\s' or 'ox\s'.
"$n ox\s< en>"
"$n\s cat\s< s > fight\s< s s>"
;)
--
Affijn, Ruud
"Gewoon is een tijger."
Jonathan makes an excellent point about s and S. In fact, there's
probably a "little language" out there for this.
I don't think it needs to be in the core, though. But you could put in
some kind of "hook" mechanism, so that detecting the presence of \s or
whatever caused the string to be trea
Larry Wall wrote:
> Any other cute ideas?
If you have '\s', you'll also want '\S':
"$n cat\s fight\S" # 1 cat fights; 2 cats fight
I'm not fond of the 'ox\soxen' idea; but I could get behind something
like '\s' or 'ox\s'.
'\s' would mean 'a is singular; b is plural'
'\s' would be short for '\s<
On 26/01/2008, Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After a recent exchange on PerlMonks about join, I've been thinking
> about the problem of pluralization in interpolated strings, where we
> get things like:
>
> say "Received $m message{ 1==$m ?? '' !! 's' }."
>
> ...
>
> Any other cute id
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