Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-25 Thread Moritz Lenz
Moritz Lenz wrote: > Carl Mäsak wrote: >> Tim (>): >>> Anything else I should add, change or remove? I'm especially interested >>> in verifyable metrics showing effort, progress, or use. Ideally graphical. >>> Any interesting nuggets that fit with the theme will be most welcome. >> >> Moritz++ and

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-25 Thread Tim Bunce
I gave the talk at OSSBarcamp in Dublin last weekend and it went well. My sincere thanks to everyone who contributed. The slides are available at: http://www.slideshare.net/Tim.Bunce/perl-myths-200909 The graphs and stats charting the continuing growth of perl and the perl community were sur

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-16 Thread Raphael Descamps
Am Mittwoch, den 16.09.2009, 10:30 +0200 schrieb François Perrad: > 2009/9/16 Carl Mäsak : > > Tim (>), Raphael (>>): > >>> Some XML related stuff: > >>> > >>> XML parser: > >>> http://github.com/fperrad/xml/ > No Perl6. > Only Parrot & PCT. Yes, I know. But your XML grammar is Perl 6 syntax anyw

Workaround for role stubs (Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk)

2009-09-16 Thread Moritz Lenz
Timothy S. Nelson wrote: > On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Carl Mäsak wrote: > >> Tim (>), Raphael (>>): Some XML related stuff: XML parser: http://github.com/fperrad/xml/ Tree manipulation: http://github.com/wayland/Tree/tree/master >>> >>> Thanks. Any reason they're not k

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-16 Thread Timothy S. Nelson
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Carl Mäsak wrote: Tim (>), Raphael (>>): Some XML related stuff: XML parser: http://github.com/fperrad/xml/ Tree manipulation: http://github.com/wayland/Tree/tree/master Thanks. Any reason they're not known to proto? The latter I wasn't really aware of. It's now added

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-16 Thread François Perrad
2009/9/16 Carl Mäsak : > Tim (>), Raphael (>>): >>> Some XML related stuff: >>> >>> XML parser: >>> http://github.com/fperrad/xml/ No Perl6. Only Parrot & PCT. François Perrad >>> >>> Tree manipulation: >>> http://github.com/wayland/Tree/tree/master >> >> Thanks. Any reason they're not known to p

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-16 Thread Nathan Gray
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:15:05PM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: > You can find my current draft at http://files.me.com/tim.bunce/65oikg (2.3MB > PDF) page 73 - Haskell should be spelled with two Ls -kolibrie

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-16 Thread Carl Mäsak
Tim (>), Raphael (>>): >> Some XML related stuff: >> >> XML parser: >> http://github.com/fperrad/xml/ >> >> Tree manipulation: >> http://github.com/wayland/Tree/tree/master > > Thanks. Any reason they're not known to proto? The latter I wasn't really aware of. It's now added to the list, and wayla

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-15 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:15:10PM -0400, Nathan Gray wrote: > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:15:05PM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: > > You can find my current draft at http://files.me.com/tim.bunce/65oikg > > (2.3MB PDF) > > page 73 - Haskell should be spelled with two Ls Thank you! I kept wondering if t

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-15 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 04:46:33PM +0200, Carl Mäsak wrote: > Tim (>), Carl (>>), Tim (>>>): > >> > I'd be grateful for feedback on any of the slides, but I'm especially > >> > interested in updates for: > >> > > >> >    page 73 - Perl 6 implementations > >> >                I've added Mildew, with

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-15 Thread Raphael Descamps
Am Dienstag, den 15.09.2009, 16:46 +0200 schrieb Carl Mäsak: > Tim (>), Carl (>>), Tim (>>>): > >> > I'd be grateful for feedback on any of the slides, but I'm especially > >> > interested in updates for: > >> > > >> >page 73 - Perl 6 implementations > >> >I've added Mildew, wit

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-15 Thread Carl Mäsak
Tim (>), Carl (>>), Tim (>>>): >> > I'd be grateful for feedback on any of the slides, but I'm especially >> > interested in updates for: >> > >> >    page 73 - Perl 6 implementations >> >                I've added Mildew, with links, to the SMOP line >> >                anything I should add / cha

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-15 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 03:46:54PM +0200, Carl Mäsak wrote: > Tim (>): > > I'd be grateful for feedback on any of the slides, but I'm especially > > interested in updates for: > > > >    page 73 - Perl 6 implementations > >                I've added Mildew, with links, to the SMOP line > >        

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-15 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 09:40:46AM +1000, Damian Conway wrote: > Darren Duncan wrote: > > > So another proposal I have is to add to the slideshow mentions of the > > Enlightened and Modern Perl movements and where one can go to read more, > > this being supplemental to PBP. > > With that suggesti

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-15 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 03:07:40PM -0700, Darren Duncan wrote: > > pp 22-23 - You might want to update the screen captures related to Moose, > both its search.cpan page and dependency graph, since its moved a long way > from 2008; on the other hand, the existing captures are still quite > repre

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-14 Thread Damian Conway
Darren Duncan wrote: > So another proposal I have is to add to the slideshow mentions of the > Enlightened and Modern Perl movements and where one can go to read more, > this being supplemental to PBP. With that suggestion I'd whole-heartedly concur. > My own opinion is that the modern best way

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-14 Thread Darren Duncan
Damian Conway wrote: Darren Duncan wrote: pg 36 - About the "Perl Best Practices" book, you should be clear to mention that what is considered best practices has evolved significantly since that book came out, so teams can't simply agree on "We'll just follow PBP guidelines" and call it a day,

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-14 Thread Damian Conway
Darren Duncan wrote: >  pg 36 - About the "Perl Best Practices" book, you should be clear to > mention that what is considered best practices has evolved significantly > since that book came out, so teams can't simply agree on "We'll just follow > PBP guidelines" and call it a day, but should stud

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-14 Thread Darren Duncan
Tim Bunce wrote: You can find my current draft at http://files.me.com/tim.bunce/65oikg (2.3MB PDF) I'd be grateful for feedback on any of the slides, but I'm especially interested in updates for: First off, the slideshow looks very good in general, and I'll look forward to using it myself af

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-14 Thread Moritz Lenz
Carl Mäsak wrote: > Tim (>): >> Anything else I should add, change or remove? I'm especially interested >> in verifyable metrics showing effort, progress, or use. Ideally graphical. >> Any interesting nuggets that fit with the theme will be most welcome. > > Moritz++ and I were talking about makin

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-14 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 05:49:41PM +0400, Richard Hainsworth wrote: > For the slides on Rakudo, I would suggest adding the modules that are > associated with proto as measure of code written in perl6. There is a list > of 27 projects. proto in itself is an interesting installer. I wasn't aware o

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-14 Thread Raphael Descamps
A few other interesting metrics could be for example: * Work done on the Specification (Synopses): svn log docs/Perl6/Spec/ * TimToady hacking ;) svn log src/perl6/ svn log src/perl6/STD.pm * Work done on the Official Testsuite: svn log t/spec/ * Work done on the Testsuite: svn log t/ (It's int

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-14 Thread Moritz Lenz
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:15:05PM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: > page 73 - Perl 6 implementations > I've added Mildew, with links, to the SMOP line > anything I should add / change / remove? > What's the status of KindaPerl6? I think it's stalled or

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-14 Thread Richard Hainsworth
For the slides on Rakudo, I would suggest adding the modules that are associated with proto as measure of code written in perl6. There is a list of 27 projects. proto in itself is an interesting installer. Also, the number of tests written for perl6 is substantial (18,000 vs 1,400 for Ruby - y

Re: Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-14 Thread Carl Mäsak
Tim (>): > I'd be grateful for feedback on any of the slides, but I'm especially > interested in updates for: > >    page 73 - Perl 6 implementations >                I've added Mildew, with links, to the SMOP line >                anything I should add / change / remove? >                What's th

Looking for help updating Perl 6 and Parrot part of Perl Myths talk

2009-09-14 Thread Tim Bunce
I'm working on an update to my "Perl - Baseless Myths and Startling Realities" talk. (Which I'll be giving in Dublin, Moscow and Pisa in the few weeks!) I got great help on the Perl 5 portion of the talk when I asked via my blog http://blog.timbunce.org/2009/08/13/help-me-update-my-perl-myths-talk