Re: Learning curve (was Re: Perl6 Operator List)

2002-10-26 Thread Smylers
Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 09:23:19PM -, Smylers wrote: > > > I believe that having English aliases would make matters worse. > > I agree, in general. I was planning on writing something about this. > Now I don't have to :-) Pleased to be of help! > The only thing I wou

Re: Learning curve (was Re: Perl6 Operator List)

2002-10-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 09:23:19PM -, Smylers wrote: > Michael Lazzaro wrote: > > > Here's my own argument for using "like/unlike", and "none", and a > > bunch of other english-sounding things we haven't even talked about > > yet. > > > > ... I don't think we've put much of a dent in the "re

Re: Learning curve (was Re: Perl6 Operator List)

2002-10-26 Thread Smylers
Michael Lazzaro wrote: > Here's my own argument for using "like/unlike", and "none", and a > bunch of other english-sounding things we haven't even talked about > yet. > > ... I don't think we've put much of a dent in the "readability" > complaints ... I think we need to care about these concerns

Re: Learning curve (was Re: Perl6 Operator List)

2002-10-26 Thread Larry Wall
On 26 Oct 2002, Simon Cozens wrote: : [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Lazzaro) writes: : > But our version of "understandable" still means a steep, steep learning : > curve. : : It's worse than that; for practitioners of many languages, the learning : curve has a 180 degree turn. : : Quick: what are t

Re: Learning curve (was Re: Perl6 Operator List)

2002-10-26 Thread Philippe 'BooK' Bruhat
On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, Michael Lazzaro wrote: > So lets have _lots_ of operators, and _lots_ of two-to-four-letter > barewords, so long as they each do something Big, or something > Universal. And let's locale-ize them, so that non-english-speakers can > use 'umu' to mean 'bool', etc. Hey, why the

Re: Learning curve (was Re: Perl6 Operator List)

2002-10-26 Thread Simon Cozens
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Lazzaro) writes: > But our version of "understandable" still means a steep, steep learning > curve. It's worse than that; for practitioners of many languages, the learning curve has a 180 degree turn. Quick: what are the bitwise operators in Java, JavaScript, C, C++, C#

Learning curve (was Re: Perl6 Operator List)

2002-10-26 Thread Michael Lazzaro
Chris Dutton wrote: > So many operators... Well, this seems a good as time as any to jump in with what's been sticking in my brain for a while now. Last June, Simon C. wrote a little philosophical thing, "Half measures all around", which generated the appropriate amount of good discussion. I wan