Re: xml and perl 6

2007-11-28 Thread James Fuller
On Nov 29, 2007 7:45 AM, Alex Kapranoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > В Чтв, 29/11/2007 в 07:18 +0100, James Fuller пишет: > > On Nov 28, 2007 8:46 PM, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wednesday 28 November 2007 10:59:30 James Fuller wrote: > > > > I do not nec. agree with 'a particular

Re: xml and perl 6

2007-11-28 Thread Alex Kapranoff
В Чтв, 29/11/2007 в 07:18 +0100, James Fuller пишет: > On Nov 28, 2007 8:46 PM, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wednesday 28 November 2007 10:59:30 James Fuller wrote: > > > I do not nec. agree with 'a particular grammer is not' part of the > > > core ... if that grammar is so common to

Re: parentheses and context (was Re: state and START)

2007-11-28 Thread Larry Wall
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 08:09:31PM -0600, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote: : On Nov 14, 2007 2:47 PM, Nicholas Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: : : > On Sat, Sep 08, 2007 at 01:48:39PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: : > > Have I got this correct? : > > : > > state @a = foo(); # Implicit START block ar

Re: xml and perl 6

2007-11-28 Thread James Fuller
On Nov 28, 2007 8:48 PM, Geoffrey Broadwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 19:59 +0100, James Fuller wrote: > > XML Parser is what I am talking about > > OK -- do you want an event-based parser? Do you want a DOM parser? Do > you want a simplified tree generator parser? Do yo

Re: xml and perl 6

2007-11-28 Thread James Fuller
On Nov 28, 2007 8:46 PM, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 28 November 2007 10:59:30 James Fuller wrote: > > > I do not nec. agree with 'a particular grammer is not' part of the > > core ... if that grammar is so common to every problem (like regex is) > > then why not include it?

Re: xml and perl 6

2007-11-28 Thread Darren Duncan
At 6:06 PM +0100 11/28/07, James Fuller wrote: there seems to be a dearth of xml 'ness' in Perl 6 design ... perhaps before Perl 6 is fully baked its time to review what could live in the core versus an external module. thoughts? cheers, Jim Fuller I want to state agreement with others that thi

Re: xml and perl 6

2007-11-28 Thread C.J. Adams-Collier
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 18:12 +, Nicholas Clark wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 06:06:14PM +0100, James Fuller wrote: > > there seems to be a dearth of xml 'ness' in Perl 6 design ... perhaps > > before Perl 6 is fully baked its time to review what could live in the > > core versus an external m

Re: xml and perl 6

2007-11-28 Thread Geoffrey Broadwell
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 11:46 -0800, chromatic wrote: > The criterion for including a module in the core is "Is this necessary to get > and install other modules?" not "Why not include this module?" WELL SAID. -'f

Re: xml and perl 6

2007-11-28 Thread Geoffrey Broadwell
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 19:59 +0100, James Fuller wrote: > XML Parser is what I am talking about OK -- do you want an event-based parser? Do you want a DOM parser? Do you want a simplified tree generator parser? Do you care about memory limitations? Run time? Does the parser need to be robust a

Re: xml and perl 6

2007-11-28 Thread chromatic
On Wednesday 28 November 2007 10:59:30 James Fuller wrote: > I do not nec. agree with 'a particular grammer is not' part of the > core ... if that grammar is so common to every problem (like regex is) > then why not include it? Because it's not necessary for getting and installing other extension

languages/perl6 doesn't run (was: xml and perl 6)

2007-11-28 Thread Patrick R. Michaud
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 07:42:29PM +0100, James Fuller wrote: > in the meantime, I have yet to get latest trunk perl6 running > properly, on parrot, or freebsd then I will start thinking of such a > task (everything compiles fine). as an aside I am getting an; > > "load_bytecode" couldn't find fi

Re: xml and perl 6

2007-11-28 Thread James Fuller
On Nov 28, 2007 7:50 PM, Geoffrey Broadwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not too put too strong a bias on it, but: > > XML processors are a dime a dozen. There is no way for us to know *now* > what the "best" XML processor(s) will be a decade from now, and Perl 6 > is intended to be a very long te

Re: xml and perl 6

2007-11-28 Thread James Fuller
On Nov 28, 2007 7:39 PM, Andy Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 28 Nov 2007, at 18:28, James Fuller wrote: > > > A few things I could imagine; native XML data type (and whatever that > > means at this late stage) > > What might that mean at any stage? from a syntactic point of view, h

Re: xml and perl 6

2007-11-28 Thread Geoffrey Broadwell
Not too put too strong a bias on it, but: XML processors are a dime a dozen. There is no way for us to know *now* what the "best" XML processor(s) will be a decade from now, and Perl 6 is intended to be a very long term language. And frankly there are enough different use cases to ensure that no

Re: xml and perl 6

2007-11-28 Thread James Fuller
On Nov 28, 2007 7:31 PM, C.J. Adams-Collier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 18:12 +, Nicholas Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 06:06:14PM +0100, James Fuller wrote: > > > there seems to be a dearth of xml 'ness' in Perl 6 design ... perhaps > > > before Perl 6 is full

Re: xml and perl 6

2007-11-28 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 28 Nov 2007, at 18:28, James Fuller wrote: A few things I could imagine; native XML data type (and whatever that means at this late stage) What might that mean at any stage? -- Andy Armstrong, Hexten

Re: xml and perl 6

2007-11-28 Thread James Fuller
all makes good sense, to make a poor analogy (and to make my point); the java build tool, Apache Ant went through the same sort of cycle (at a much smaller scale) whereby initial architecture forced a lot of extraneous functionality into the core hard to maintain and limited deployment profi

Re: xml and perl 6

2007-11-28 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 06:06:14PM +0100, James Fuller wrote: > there seems to be a dearth of xml 'ness' in Perl 6 design ... perhaps > before Perl 6 is fully baked its time to review what could live in the > core versus an external module. > > thoughts? If I remember the plan correctly, it's rou

xml and perl 6

2007-11-28 Thread James Fuller
there seems to be a dearth of xml 'ness' in Perl 6 design ... perhaps before Perl 6 is fully baked its time to review what could live in the core versus an external module. thoughts? cheers, Jim Fuller