On 1/20/06, Nicholas Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 04:20:54PM -0500, Rob Kinyon wrote:
> > Pros: Larry doesn't have to do anything more on the WMoT.
> > Cons: The community, for some reason, really wants this
> > auto-translator, even though there wasn't one for
Larry Wall wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:35:13PM +0800, Audrey Tang wrote:
> My original intent was #2, hence the wording in A12. But to speak to
> some of Stevan's concernes, there's something going on here which is
> not quite "Object does Hash". It's more like "Object can do Hash",
> in
> On Thursday 19 January 2006 21:53, Stevan Little wrote:
> > With p5, you /can/ get to the underlying data structure. This is a
> > break which will hamper the backwards compatibility effort I think.
>
> With Perl 5, you can *appear* to get to the underlying data structure. Yet
> tie() is basical
On 1/21/06, Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But maybe all this is already possible in the current setup, if
>
> role ObjectFakeHash does Hash {...}
> role Object does ObjectFakeHash {...}
> class Hash does Hash {...}
Yes, I think that's the way to go, as well as :coerce for exp
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 04:20:54PM -0500, Rob Kinyon wrote:
> Pros: Larry doesn't have to do anything more on the WMoT.
> Cons: The community, for some reason, really wants this
> auto-translator, even though there wasn't one for P4->P5 and P5->P6 is
> a greater leap than P4->P5 was.
But (
I have to wonder how many other people just
edited /usr/share/games/fortune/perl and added:
%
Humans are not much into strong compile-time typing, and when they are,
we call it stereotyping, or racism, or whatever.
-- Larry Wall in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
And now back to your regularly s
On Thursday 19 January 2006 21:53, Stevan Little wrote:
> Okay, so when you say alternate storage then you mean that a class
> like this:
>
> class Foo {
> has $.bar;
> method new ($class, %params) {
> $class.bless('p5Hash', %params);
> }
> method baz {
> $.bar +
On Friday 20 January 2006 07:14, Rob Kinyon wrote:
> I think this entire issue is rising out of the fact that very very few
> people in this discussion are familiar with the design of the MOP.
> Stevan and a few others are the primary movers and I'm lucky enough to
> have been Stevan's sounding bo
On 1/20/06, Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip really cool blathering]
I don't have much to say on the deeper question, but I have a few
ideas on the P5 -> P6 translation question, especially as it relates
to OO:
1) Don't translate at all. Ponie, delegating to Parrot, is
supposed to
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:35:13PM +0800, Audrey Tang wrote:
: Note that A12 used to say that all Objects does Hash, and %$obj even
: returns private attributes when used inside the class scope.
: Fortunately, S12 doesn't mention anything like that, so I think the
: treatment above is safe.
We sti
On 1/19/06, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 19 January 2006 19:50, Rob Kinyon wrote:
>
> > Nothing. Just like it's not a problem if Perl6 uses one of the
> > Ruby-specific PMCs for storage. In fact, the alternate $repr idea is
> > specifically to allow for the use of foreign data
On 1/20/06, Juerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Note, by the way, that JS has "primitive" strings, and Strings, only the
> latter being objects. Fortunately for us, though, a string is
> automatically promoted to a String when the string is USED AS an object.
In other words, according to userland,
Stevan Little wrote:
>> I realize one of Stevan's objections is "But if you use a Hash, does your
>> object automatically support the .keys method and .kv and so on?" to
>> which I
>> reply "No, of course not. That's silly. It just uses the Hash for
>> *storage*."
>> Is that your objection to ble
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: class Dog {
: method tail { "brown and short" }
: };
:
: class Chihuahua is Dog {
: has $.color;
: method tail { $.color _ " and short" }
: };
:
: You can say Dog.tail, Dog.new.tail, Chihuahua.new.tail, but not
: Chihuahua.tail. That's extremely counter-int
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