Re: new sigil

2005-10-24 Thread Luke Palmer
On 10/24/05, TSa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does this capturing of the type into ¢T also involve runtime > code template expansion? That is, if sametype(Int,Int) didn't > exist it would be compiled on the fly for a call sametype(3,2)? I think that's up to the implementation. From the language p

Re: S04 default { } bug?

2005-10-24 Thread Luke Palmer
On 10/23/05, Ilmari Vacklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > S04 says thus: > > The default case: > > default {...} > > is exactly equivalent to > > when true {...} > > However, that parses to: > > if $_ ~~ bool::true { ...; leave } > > Which is not executed if $_ is

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Jonathan Worthington
I'll attempt to answer a couple of the Parrot fears. :-) "Doug McNutt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I fear that Parrot will not come into widespread use until perl 6 is released. Parrot might not be ready to come into widespread use until Perl 6 is released - there's some stuff missing yet. B

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Juerd
Nate Wiger skribis 2005-10-24 10:44 (-0700): > The fact that there's not alot of active p5p'ers on this list should > alarm people more. I don't know about the other Perl 6 lists, are they as p5porterless? It does not alarm me that they are not *here*, this being a list where we mostly discuss t

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Rob Kinyon
On 10/24/05, Nate Wiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joshua Gatcomb wrote: > > On 10/24/05, Juerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Feel free to add your own, or fears you heard about! > > > > FEAR: The Perl6 process is driving away too many good developers > > > > FEAR: Perl6 will not be as por

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Nate Wiger
Joshua Gatcomb wrote: On 10/24/05, Juerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Feel free to add your own, or fears you heard about! FEAR: The Perl6 process is driving away too many good developers FEAR: Perl6 will not be as portable as p5 FEAR: Perl6 is un-necessary and the time, money, and resources

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Rob Kinyon
On 10/24/05, John Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 02:47:58PM +0100, Alberto Manuel Brandão Simões wrote: > > Another is because it will take too long to port all CPAN modules to > > Perl 6 (for this I suggest a Porters force-task to interact with current > > CPAN modu

Re: new sigil

2005-10-24 Thread TSa
HaloO, Luke Palmer wrote: On 10/20/05, Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Another thing I didn't mention is that that binds both the variable and its class. But the $ variable is of course optional after the type, so you could just write that sub sametype (¢T, ¢T) {...} if you don't a

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Doug McNutt
I fear that, at age 70, I shall not live long enough to become efficient with perl 6. Two full years ago I purchased and read "Perl 6 Essentials". That lead me to this list which I have enjoyed but never felt competent to contribute much. Pretty much all of what I leaned in Essentials has been

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread John Macdonald
On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 02:47:58PM +0100, Alberto Manuel Brandão Simões wrote: > Another is because it will take too long to port all CPAN modules to > Perl 6 (for this I suggest a Porters force-task to interact with current > CPAN module owners and help and/or port their modules). I think Autri

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Joshua Gatcomb
On 10/24/05, Joshua Gatcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 10/24/05, Juerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >Feel free to add your own, or fears you heard about! > > This really isn't a fear as much as it is a complaint. It has to do with design decisions and the list. "Perl 5 was my rewrit

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Joshua Gatcomb
On 10/24/05, Juerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Feel free to add your own, or fears you heard about! FEAR: Perl6 internals will be just as inaccessable as p5 FEAR: The Perl6 process is driving away too many good developers FEAR: Perl6 will not be as portable as p5 FEAR: Perl6 will not be

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Juerd
Christian Renz skribis 2005-10-24 15:31 (+0200): > >Feel free to add your own, or fears you heard about! > Fear: Perl 6 will not attract enough interested developers and > companies to gain momentum. People will continue to be excited about > digital watches and PHP 5. That's already expressed in:

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Alberto Manuel Brandão Simões
Christian Renz wrote: Feel free to add your own, or fears you heard about! Fear: Perl 6 will not attract enough interested developers and companies to gain momentum. People will continue to be excited about digital watches and PHP 5. I think Perl 6 will take time to insterest developers. One

Ways to add behavior

2005-10-24 Thread Ashley Winters
I'm mentally going over the ways to do it. class Foo; # the perl5 way use base <>; sub new { my $class = shift; my $self = $class.SUPER::new(@_); # syntax? return $self; } sub do_it { my($self, $arg) = @_; say "doing $arg!"; } class Foo is Base { # the perl6 way m

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Christian Renz
Feel free to add your own, or fears you heard about! Fear: Perl 6 will not attract enough interested developers and companies to gain momentum. People will continue to be excited about digital watches and PHP 5. Regards, Christian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://christian.web42.com - http://w

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Juerd
Daniel Hulme skribis 2005-10-24 9:00 (+0100): > FEAR: I will need a lobotomy before I can make sense of Perl 6! This falls under "hard to learn". Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl/make_juerd_happy.html http://convolution.nl/gajigu_juerd_n.html

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Dan Kogai
Here is my part. On Oct 24, 2005, at 07:20 , Juerd wrote: I've created pugs/docs/quickref/fears, a list of Perl 6 fears. Feel free to add your own, or fears you heard about! [snip] : FEAR: Perl 6 has too many operators! FEAR: Perl 6 has so many operators that it runs out of Unicode characte

Re: Perl 6 fears

2005-10-24 Thread Daniel Hulme
> The current list of fears is: You don't include my personal fear. FEAR: I will need a lobotomy before I can make sense of Perl 6! -- Stop the infinite loop, I want to get off! http://surreal.istic.org/ Paraphernalia/Never hides your broken bones,/ And I don't know why you'd want to try:/ I

S04 default { } bug?

2005-10-24 Thread Ilmari Vacklin
Hi, S04 says thus: The default case: default {...} is exactly equivalent to when true {...} However, that parses to: if $_ ~~ bool::true { ...; leave } Which is not executed if $_ is false, unless ~~ bool::true does something special. Perhaps default should be eq

Re: new sigil

2005-10-24 Thread Michele Dondi
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we find a lot of yen signs as zip-operators in the standard library, Japanese would have a big question: "Give up either Perl6 or Windows. Which do we need?" And I suppose the answer Hmmm, begins to sound interesting... ;-P Michele -- voices