Juerd wrote:
> I do not see why $ and @ couldn't be both a sigil and an infix
> operator, and the same goes for whatever ASCII equivalent ¢ gets.
>
> ^ and | are available for sigil use. (All the closing brackets are too,
> but that would be very confusing because we tend to visually parse those
>
Does TYE's Algorithm::Loops's mapcar() provide the basic functionality
of what you're looking for?
Rob
On 10/21/05, Mark Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a CPAN module which provides the functionality of ¥/zip() for
> Perl5? I don't see anything obvious in the Bundle::Perl6 stuff. Not
On 10/21/05, Mark Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hm. This brings up another point, which may have been addressed . . .
>
> The Python function and Ruby array method zip() both accept any number of
> arrays to interleave:
>
> >>> zip([1,2,3],[4,5,6],[7,8,9])
> [(1, 4, 7), (2, 5, 8), (3, 6, 9)]
>
Hm. This brings up another point, which may have been addressed . . .
The Python function and Ruby array method zip() both accept any number of
arrays to interleave:
>>> zip([1,2,3],[4,5,6],[7,8,9])
[(1, 4, 7), (2, 5, 8), (3, 6, 9)]
irb(main):001:0> [1,2,3].zip([4,5,6],[7,8,9])
=> [[1, 4, 7], [
Is there a CPAN module which provides the functionality of ¥/zip() for
Perl5? I don't see anything obvious in the Bundle::Perl6 stuff. Not hard
to write, of course, just wondering if it's been done . . .
On 10/21/05, Dave Whipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Luke Palmer wrote:
> > And in those kinds of corporate environments, you're not going to be
> > working with any code but code written in-house. Which means that
> > nobody is going to be using Latin-1, and everyone will be using the
> > ASCII s
Feh - I really need to get on gmail's case for providing a keystroke
for "Reply to All".
Rob
-- Forwarded message --
From: Nate Wiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Oct 21, 2005 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: $1 change issues [was Re: syntax for accessing multiple
versions of a module]
To: Rob K
On 2005-10-21 1:54 PM, "Nate Wiger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BTW, C and PHP both use -> "still".
C++ is probably more relevant than C, but since it inherited the syntax,
same diff. But in their case the underlying form is still a dot; A->B is
just syntactic sugar for (*A).B. The distinction
TSa skribis 2005-10-21 18:54 (+0200):
> My 2¢ is that we should reap ^ from the one junction and promote it to
> become the 'runtime type information carrier' sigil---like the wings
> on the feet of Hermes/Mercury :)
It is not necessary (or sane, but that's an opinion) to reap it from the
junction
Luke Palmer wrote:
Every regex engine in every language uses $1 or \1. This includes Java,
JavaScript, C, PHP, Python, awk, sed, the GNU regex libs, etc. Somehow
other languages seem ok with this, because it's a widely-used convention.
Perl 6's patterns are _not_ regexes anymore. But I doubt t
HaloO,
Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon wrote:
Steve Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
~ seems to be available for a sigil, if my reading of S02 is correct, and
the cent sign is replacing :: in all cases. If not (that is $::foo is
still the global variable named foo) then * may also be available.
Luke Palmer wrote:
As I mentioned earlier, most programmers in a corporate environment
>> have
limited access to system settings.
And in those kinds of corporate environments, you're not going to be
working with any code but code written in-house. Which means that
nobody is going to be using L
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:52:04 -0600, Thom Boyer wrote (in part):
Thom> On 10/20/05, Juerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 2. How can it be typed with X character composition, vim's digraphs
>> and major international keyboards?
For X11 composition, where getting into compose state is up to your X
e
On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 05:27:53PM +0200, Schneelocke wrote:
> On 21/10/05, Steve Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I honestly don't know or care what flavor of vi I using, since it usually
> > changes depending on what *nix flavor I'm working on. I also don't think
> > that
> > it should mak
On 21/10/05, Steve Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I honestly don't know or care what flavor of vi I using, since it usually
> changes depending on what *nix flavor I'm working on. I also don't think that
> it should make a difference what editor I'm using with a programming language.
> Others
On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 10:30:40AM -0400, Rob Kinyon wrote:
> > > So, you are proposing that the Perl of the Unicode era be limited to
> > > ASCII because a 15 year old editor cannot handle the charset? That's
> > > like suggesting that operating systems should all be bootable from a
> > > single f
On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 09:14:15PM -0400, John Adams wrote:
> From: Luke Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > But $1 in Perl 5 wasn't the same as $1 in a shell script.
>
> I'm all for breaking things that need breaking, which is why I
> keep my mouth shut most of the time--either I see the reason or
On 10/20/05, Juerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Larry Wall skribis 2005-10-20 7:56 (-0700):
> > the new sigil is the cent sign, so ::T is now written ¢T instead.
>
> 1. What does it look like? I've never used a cent sign, and have seen
> several.
It looks like a lowercase c with a vertical line
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Steve Peters wrote:
> Again, I'd prefer not to be fired. Everything you have written above is
> not an option for the majority of the programmers out there. Also, not
> to helpful if you write your programs in TSO on an IBM mainframe.
In general true, but the cent sign was
> > So, you are proposing that the Perl of the Unicode era be limited to
> > ASCII because a 15 year old editor cannot handle the charset? That's
> > like suggesting that operating systems should all be bootable from a
> > single floppy because not everyone has access to a CD drive.
>
> I saying th
On 2005-10-21 10:10 AM, "Steve Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I saying that, since my up-to-date version of vi on my up-to-date OpenBSD
> can't type, much less even allow me to paste in, a Latin-1 character, this
> is an issue.
If you're using stock vi rather than vim or elvis or at least n
> Speaking of which, the advantage of, say, « over << is that the former
> is _one_ character. But Y, compared to ¥, is one character only as
> well, and is even more visually distinctive with most fonts I know of,
> afaict, so is there any good reason to keep the latter as the
> "official" one?!?
Steve Peters skribis 2005-10-21 9:10 (-0500):
> I saying that, since my up-to-date version of vi on my up-to-date OpenBSD
> can't type, much less even allow me to paste in, a Latin-1 character, this
> is an issue.
You should report this bug. Hopefully, it will then be fixed before Perl
6 is relea
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Rutger Vos wrote:
_one_ charachter. But Y, compared to ¥, is one charachter only as well,
and is even more visually distinctive with most fonts I know of, afaict,
so is there any good reason to keep the latter as the "official" one?!?
Do you even need to ask? It's beca
On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 09:35:12AM -0400, Rob Kinyon wrote:
> On 10/21/05, Steve Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 02:37:09PM +0200, Juerd wrote:
> > > Steve Peters skribis 2005-10-21 6:07 (-0500):
> > > > Older versions of Eclipse are not able to enter these characters
> For me AltGr + C gives Copyright-symbol "(c)".
For me too, but AltGr + shift + E gives ¢.
/Stefan Lidman
The Class::Role and Class::Roles modules on CPAN implement a form of
compile-time Perl6 role composition for Perl5.
Neither supports run-time role composition, as-in:
http://dev.perl.org/perl6/doc/design/syn/S12.html#Roles
The does operator returns the object so you can nest mixins:
- Original Message -
From: "Steve Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Luke Palmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc:
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: new sigil
But I may have to support your code. That's the issue.
Isn't perl6 assuming the source file is in UTF-8 unless e
I'd like to propose a new metamodel that (I hope) will meet all the
specs @Larry has stated thus far. This metamodel is in two parts.
Part the first:
There is a single object given to P6 called Factory. (No, Steve, there
are no turtles.) Factory has two behaviors, no state, and no classes.
The beh
Speaking of which the advantage of, say, « over << is that the former
is _one_ charachter. But Y, compared to ¥, is one charachter only as
well, and is even more visually distinctive with most fonts I know of,
afaict, so is there any good reason to keep the latter as the
"official" one?!?
On 10/21/05, Steve Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 02:37:09PM +0200, Juerd wrote:
> > Steve Peters skribis 2005-10-21 6:07 (-0500):
> > > Older versions of Eclipse are not able to enter these characters. That's
> > > where the copy and paste comes in.
> >
> > That's wh
On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 02:37:09PM +0200, Juerd wrote:
> Steve Peters skribis 2005-10-21 6:07 (-0500):
> > Older versions of Eclipse are not able to enter these characters. That's
> > where the copy and paste comes in.
>
> That's where upgrades come in.
>
That's where lots of money to update to
On 21/10/05, Steve Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 09:42:00AM +0100, Carl Franks wrote:
> > Where did you get ALT-155 from?
> >
> > I've just checked the windows Character Map, and ¢ (cent) is ALT-0162
> > ( If it's not in your startmenu, do start -> run -> charmap )
>
>
Steve Peters skribis 2005-10-21 6:07 (-0500):
> Older versions of Eclipse are not able to enter these characters. That's
> where the copy and paste comes in.
That's where upgrades come in.
Juerd
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Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon skribis 2005-10-20 21:42 (-0700):
> @ Array sigil Array sigil
> $ Scalar sigilScalar sigil
> % Hash sigil Hash sigil, modulo
In non-term, it's not a sigil. There cannot be two subsequent terms.
This is why it makes no sense to wa
-Original Message-
From: "Patrick R. Michaud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>I can state the compelling reason for this one -- it's way too
confusing when $1, $2, $3, etc. correspond to $/[0], $/[1], $/[2], etc.
>In many discussions of capturing semantics earlier in the year,
nearly everyone usin
On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 09:42:00AM +0100, Carl Franks wrote:
> Where did you get ALT-155 from?
>
> I've just checked the windows Character Map, and ¢ (cent) is ALT-0162
> ( If it's not in your startmenu, do start -> run -> charmap )
Actually, both work. That's where the issus with the documentat
On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 11:03:07AM +0200, Bra??o Tichý wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Luke Palmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc:
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:21 AM
> Subject: Re: new sigil
>
>
> >
> >But I may have to support your co
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Luke Palmer wrote:
Huh? So you want to go back to Perl 5's arrow? *Anybody* coming to
Perl 6 from some non-Perl 5 language is going to be more comfortable
with dot.
(Also, I did like the arrow notation, but) how cool would be
@cool=grep ->cool, @misc; # if compared to
Where did you get ALT-155 from?
I've just checked the windows Character Map, and ¢ (cent) is ALT-0162
( If it's not in your startmenu, do start -> run -> charmap )
It displays in Eclipse (3.1.1) whether the Text File Encoding is set to
Cp1252 (default) or UTF-8 or ISO-8859-1
Cheers,
Carl
On 10/21/05, Luke Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/21/05, Benjamin Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 06:39:34PM -0600, Luke Palmer wrote:
> > > Huh? So you want to go back to Perl 5's arrow? *Anybody* coming to
> > > Perl 6 from some non-Perl 5 language is goi
On 10/21/05, Benjamin Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 06:39:34PM -0600, Luke Palmer wrote:
> > Huh? So you want to go back to Perl 5's arrow? *Anybody* coming to
> > Perl 6 from some non-Perl 5 language is going to be more comfortable
> > with dot.
>
> Unless it was Sm
On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 06:39:34PM -0600, Luke Palmer wrote:
> On 10/20/05, Nate Wiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Luke Palmer wrote:
> > > The fact that we use . instead of -> (like every other language on
> > > the planet)?
> >
> > You're using my argument for me - thanks. See above.
>
> Huh?
Darren Duncan wrote:
In this case, I support the use of any international currency symbol
for use as Perl sigils and/or operators as appropriate. Eg, we
already use $ (dollar; unicode=0024; utf8=24) and ¥ (yen;
unicode=00A5; utf8=C2A5), and I suggest that the next best one to
exploit is ¤ (e
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