Re: S4: Can PRE and POST be removed from program flow?

2004-09-05 Thread Matt Diephouse
I may be completely off base here, but I think this whole discussion would be better suited for perl6-internals. A packaging system would not be a feature of the language itself, but of its implementation. Don't confuse Perl and perl. -- matt

Re: The last shall be last

2004-09-05 Thread Matt Diephouse
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:17:22 -0700 (PDT), Jonathan Lang > Agreed; that's why I'd include "last" for newbies to use. "0th" as "last" > works only as an extension of "-1st" as "first from last", "-2nd" as > "second from last", and so on; you have positive numbers counting from the > first, and negat

Re: What Requires Core Support (app packaging)

2004-09-05 Thread John Siracusa
On 9/5/04 8:31 PM, Luke Palmer wrote: > John Siracusa writes: >> I think the most important question was at the end of my last message: >> is something even *possible* without core support? Taking a set of >> scripts and libs and making single-file, compiled (or "precompiled" >> bytecode or whatev

Re: What Requires Core Support (app packaging)

2004-09-05 Thread Luke Palmer
John Siracusa writes: > I think the most important question was at the end of my last message: > is something even *possible* without core support? Taking a set of > scripts and libs and making single-file, compiled (or "precompiled" > bytecode or whatever) executable that will run on all platform

Re: Synopsis 9 draft 1

2004-09-05 Thread Aaron Sherman
On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 19:47, Larry Wall wrote: > This synopsis summarizes the non-existent Apocalypse 9, which > discussed in detail the design of Perl 6 data structures. It was > primarily a discussion of how the existing features of Perl 6 combine > to make it easier for the PDL folks to write

Re: What Requires Core Support (app packaging)

2004-09-05 Thread John Siracusa
On 9/4/04 11:42 PM, chromatic wrote: > On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 18:44, John Siracusa wrote: >> To bring it home, I think packaging and distribution is important enough to >> warrant a standard, core-supported implementation. > >> I think the "specially structured dir of files" and its single-file pac

Re: The last shall be last (was: The first shall be first)

2004-09-05 Thread Richard Proctor
On Sun 05 Sep, David Green wrote: > On 2004/9/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonathan Lang) wrote: > (Nice Subject change, I almost missed it!) > > >Larry Wall wrote: > > > Yow. Presumably "nth" without an argument would mean the last. > > > >If it means the last, why not just use C? > > Conflict with

Re: The last shall be last (was: The first shall be first)

2004-09-05 Thread Smylers
John Williams writes: > BTW, there should be no ambiguity between C and C<''>, > because one occurs where an operator is expected, and one occurs where > a term is expected. There may be no ambiguity for the Perl engine, but any use of C<'> for anything other than quoting makes life hard for synt

Re: S4: Can PRE and POST be removed from program flow?

2004-09-05 Thread Smylers
John Siracusa writes: > To bring it home, I think packaging and distribution is important > enough to warrant a standard, core-supported implementation. Yes, > it's great to be able to roll your own solution, but forcing the issue > by providing nothing but the most basic features required to boo

Re: S4: Can PRE and POST be removed from program flow?

2004-09-05 Thread Simon Cozens
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Siracusa) writes: > there's an official way, you'll certainly see less wheel reinvention than in > Perl 5. This is a good thing. That is only true if you accept the fundamentalist principle that one should never reinvent wheels. If that were true, then we wouldn't be worki