Re: Regex and Matched Delimiters

2002-04-23 Thread Me
> when matching against something like "foo\nwiffle\nbarfoo\n" >/(foo.*)$/ # matches the last line /(foo[^\n]*)$/ # assuming perl 6 meaning of $, end of string >/(foo.*)$/m # matches the first line /(foo[^\n]*)$$/ # assuming perl 6 meaning of $$, end of line or /(foo.*?

Re: Regex and Matched Delimiters

2002-04-23 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 11:11:28PM -0500, Me wrote: > Third, I was thinking that having perl 6 regexen have /s on > by default would be easy for perl 5 coders to understand; > not too hard to get used to; and have no negative effects > for existing coders beyond getting used to the change. I'm ju

Re: Regex and Matched Delimiters

2002-04-23 Thread Me
> > : I'd expect . to match newlines by default. I forgot, fourth, this simplifies the rule for . -- it would become period matches any char, period. Fifth, it makes the writing of "match anything but newline" into an explicit [^\n], which I consider a good thing. Of course, all this is minor s

Re: Regex and Matched Delimiters

2002-04-23 Thread Me
> : I'd expect . to match newlines by default. For a . that > : didn't match newlines, I'd expect to need to use [^\n]. > > But . has never matched newlines by default, not even in grep. Perhaps. But: First, I would have thought you *can't* make . match newlines in grep, period. If so, then whe

Using closures for regex control

2002-04-23 Thread Me
Larry said: > I haven't decided yet whether matches embedded in > [a regex embedded] closure should automatically pick > up where the outer match is, or whether there should > be some explicit match op to mean that, much like \G > only better. I'm thinking when the current topic is a > match state

Re: Regex and Matched Delimiters

2002-04-23 Thread Aaron Sherman
On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 12:48, Larry Wall wrote: > Brent Dax writes: > : # \talso > : # \nalso or (latter matching > : logical newline) > : # \ralso > : # \falso > : # \aalso

Re: Regex and Matched Delimiters

2002-04-23 Thread Larry Wall
Brent Dax writes: : Sorry to reply to the same message twice, but I just noticed something. : : Larry Wall: : # {n,m} : : Isn't that the only use of angle brackets as a quantifier? That's going : to make parsing more difficult... How so? It's just a one-character lookahead to s

Re: Please rename 'but' to 'has'.

2002-04-23 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 12:36 PM -0400 4/23/02, Buddha Buck wrote: >At 08:58 AM 04-23-2002 -0700, Larry Wall wrote: >>Precedence is set with the "like' property: >> >> my sub operator:now ($a,$b) is like("but") is inline { $a but $b } >> sub operator:also ($a,$b) is like("and") is inline { $a and $b } > >OK, b

Re: Please rename 'but' to 'has'.

2002-04-23 Thread Larry Wall
Buddha Buck writes: : At 08:58 AM 04-23-2002 -0700, Larry Wall wrote: : >Precedence is set with the "like' property: : > : > my sub operator:now ($a,$b) is like("but") is inline { $a but $b } : > sub operator:also ($a,$b) is like("and") is inline { $a and $b } : : OK, but that limits you

Re: Please rename 'but' to 'has'.

2002-04-23 Thread Buddha Buck
At 01:12 PM 04-23-2002 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >24 levels of precedence should be enough, else you can always resort to >parens. I would have agreed, except that I would have also said that the 14 precedence levels of C should be enough as well -- yet we seem to have discovered uses f

Re: Regex and Matched Delimiters

2002-04-23 Thread Larry Wall
Me writes: : > /pat/i m:i/pat/ or // or even m ??? : : Why lose the modifier-following-final-delimiter : syntax? Is this to avoid a parsing issue, or : because it's linguistically odd to have a modifier : at the end? Haven't decided for sure to lose it, but it does have several problems. Fir

Re: Please rename 'but' to 'has'.

2002-04-23 Thread ggermain
In reply to Buddha Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > At 08:58 AM 04-23-2002 -0700, Larry Wall wrote: > >Precedence is set with the "like' property: > > > > my sub operator:now ($a,$b) is like("but") is inline { $a but $b > } > > sub operator:also ($a,$b) is like("and") is inline { $a and $b } >

RE: Regex and Matched Delimiters

2002-04-23 Thread Brent Dax
Sorry to reply to the same message twice, but I just noticed something. Larry Wall: # {n,m} Isn't that the only use of angle brackets as a quantifier? That's going to make parsing more difficult... --Brent Dax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> @roles=map {"Parrot $_"} qw(embedding regexen C

Re: Regex and Matched Delimiters

2002-04-23 Thread Larry Wall
Aaron Sherman writes: : On Mon, 2002-04-22 at 21:53, Larry Wall wrote: : : > * Parens always capture. : > * Braces are always closures. : > * Square brackets are always character classes. : > * Angle brackets are always metasyntax (along with backslash). : > : > So a first whack

Re: Regex and Matched Delimiters

2002-04-23 Thread Larry Wall
Brent Dax writes: : # ?pat? // or even m ??? : : Whoa, those are moving to the front?!? The problem with options in general is that they can't easily modify parsing if they come in back. Now in the particular case of /f and /i, it probably doesn't matter. But I was trying

Re: Please rename 'but' to 'has'.

2002-04-23 Thread Buddha Buck
At 08:58 AM 04-23-2002 -0700, Larry Wall wrote: >Precedence is set with the "like' property: > > my sub operator:now ($a,$b) is like("but") is inline { $a but $b } > sub operator:also ($a,$b) is like("and") is inline { $a and $b } OK, but that limits you to the, um, 24 standard levels of

Re: Please rename 'but' to 'has'.

2002-04-23 Thread Larry Wall
Aaron Sherman writes: : On Mon, 2002-04-22 at 19:22, Larry Wall wrote: : : > Perl 6 will try to avoid synonyms but make it easy to declare them. At : > worst it would be something like: : > : > my sub operator:now ($a,$b) is inline { $a but $b } : : I see your point, and it makes sense, bu

Re: Regex and Matched Delimiters

2002-04-23 Thread Aaron Sherman
On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 04:32, Ariel Scolnicov wrote: > Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [...] > > > /pat/x /pat/ > > How do I do a "no /x"? I know that commented /x'ed regexps are easier > reading (I even write them myself, I swear I do!), but having to > escape whitespac

Re: Regex and Matched Delimiters

2002-04-23 Thread Luke Palmer
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Iain Truskett wrote: > * Larry Wall ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [23 Apr 2002 11:56]: > > [...] > > * Parens always capture. > > Maybe I missed something in the rest of the details, but is anything > going to replace non-capturing parens? It's just that I do find them > quite us

Re: Regex and Matched Delimiters

2002-04-23 Thread Iain Truskett
* Larry Wall ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [23 Apr 2002 11:56]: [...] > * Parens always capture. Maybe I missed something in the rest of the details, but is anything going to replace non-capturing parens? It's just that I do find them quite useful. -- iain.

RE: Regex and Matched Delimiters

2002-04-23 Thread Luke Palmer
> # =~ $re =~ /<$re>/ ouch? > > I don't see the win. Naturally =~ $re is a bit cleaner, but we can't do that because =~ is smart match, not regex match. > # (?=...) > # (?!...) > # (?<=...) > # (? > > Cute. (Wait a minute, are

Re: Regex and Matched Delimiters

2002-04-23 Thread Aaron Sherman
On Mon, 2002-04-22 at 21:53, Larry Wall wrote: > * Parens always capture. > * Braces are always closures. > * Square brackets are always character classes. > * Angle brackets are always metasyntax (along with backslash). > > So a first whack at the differences might be: [...] >

Re: Please rename 'but' to 'has'.

2002-04-23 Thread Aaron Sherman
On Mon, 2002-04-22 at 19:22, Larry Wall wrote: > Perl 6 will try to avoid synonyms but make it easy to declare them. At > worst it would be something like: > > my sub operator:now ($a,$b) is inline { $a but $b } I see your point, and it makes sense, but how will precedence work? What would

Re: Regex and Matched Delimiters

2002-04-23 Thread Me
> /pat/i m:i/pat/ or // or even m ??? Why lose the modifier-following-final-delimiter syntax? Is this to avoid a parsing issue, or because it's linguistically odd to have a modifier at the end? > /^pat$/m /^^pat$$/ What's the mnemonic here? It feels the wrong way round -- like a single

Re: Regex and Matched Delimiters

2002-04-23 Thread Ariel Scolnicov
Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > /pat/x/pat/ How do I do a "no /x"? I know that commented /x'ed regexps are easier reading (I even write them myself, I swear I do!), but having to escape whitespace is often very annoying. Will I really have to escape all spaces (

RE: Regex and Matched Delimiters

2002-04-23 Thread Brent Dax
Piers Cawley: # "Brent Dax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: # > Larry Wall: # > That's...odd. Is $$ (the variable) going away? # > # > # /./s // or /<.>/ ??? # > # > I think that . is too common a metacharacter to be # relegated to this. # # I think you failed to notice that '/

Re: Regex and Matched Delimiters

2002-04-23 Thread Piers Cawley
"Brent Dax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Larry Wall: > That's...odd. Is $$ (the variable) going away? > > # /./s// or /<.>/ ??? > > I think that . is too common a metacharacter to be relegated to > this. I think you failed to notice that '/s' on the regex. In general . w

Re: Regex and Matched Delimiters

2002-04-23 Thread Piers Cawley
Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > /^pat$/m /^^pat$$/ $$ is no longer the current PID? Or will we have to call that '${$}' in a regex? -- Piers "It is a truth universally acknowledged that a language in possession of a rich syntax must be in need of a rewrite."