Dan Sugalski sent the following bits through the ether:
> I'd like everyone to give a welcome to Patrick Michaud, who's
> volunteered to officially take charge of getting the Perl 6 compiler
> module written.
Welcome Patrick! What's your plan of attack
Apart from license issues, this might be an interesting thing to look
at.
Leon
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Adam Thomason sent the following bits through the ether:
> No troubles here (see the palaeodictyoptera tinderbox). Is procps
> up-to-date? Is NPTL causing different PIDs to show up?
OK, chalk it up to dodgy Fedora in that case. Please do not apply
patch.
Leon
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Leopold Toetsch sent the following bits through the ether:
> Both interpreter and unit aren't unused, if JIT is enabled. Changed a
> bit.
Ooh. Oops. Anyway, warnings bad.
Leon
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scribot..
Leopold Toetsch sent the following bits through the ether:
> Is this available on e.g. Windows?
Possibly, it's just POSIX. I have no way to test this however.
Leon
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Signals no worky under x86_64. I don't really understand why. Seeing
as we're skipping on lots of platforms anyway, I've added it to the
list of skipped platforms.
Leon
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On our shiny 64-bit Opteron box I get a warning here. This silences
the warning.
Leon
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Index: pf/pf_it
Removes a warning.
Leon
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Index: imcc/pbc.c
===
RCS
Dan Sugalski sent the following bits through the ether:
> "A (Grand?) Unified Theory of Storage Reclamation"
Slides here: http://www.research.ibm.com/people/d/dfb/talks/Bacon04Grand.ppt
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Dan Sugalski sent the following bits through the ether:
> So, the question--shall we do objects and maybe miss the Feb 29th
> release, or do the Feb 29th release and do objects for the next
> release?
Objects please!
Leon
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Brent Dax sent the following bits through the ether:
> Are there any objections to this?
Sounds good. For embedding (eg Ponie), we're going to have to make
sure that all symbols start with parrot_ / Parrot_...
Leon
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e a good idea. We
can always move the logic into the assembler later if we decide to
prune ops.
ObLeonBrocard: he just be restin', arrr
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Parrot projects ;-)
We've used the Perl testing framework (Test::Harness, eg: 1..1\nok 1)
in the main parrot test suite. It's working well for Perl and a Parrot
version of it might be nice idea...
Leon
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more parrot jokes...
I don't like things becoming dead-ends. How much work do you think
it'd be to extend it some more and update it to latest Lua? Would it
be worth checking this into parrot CVS?
Leon
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J?rgen B?mmels sent the following bits through the ether:
> The offending line is exceptions.c:123
> if (m[strlen(m-1)] != '\n')
Thanks, applied.
Leon
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mrnobo1024 sent the following bits through the ether:
> Parrot_sprintf isn't recognizing 7 as a number in the precision field, so
> trying to use that results in a "'7' is not a valid sprintf format" error.
Thanks, patch applied.
Leon
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I just noticed that nobody had emailed perl6-internals about
ponie, which was announced yesterday as OSCON.
Ponie is perl 5 on parrot. For more info:
http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=03/07/09/0237202
Leon
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scribot
ologies, Leon
ps and I was so proud of my first CVS commit too :-(
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correct this thanx alot in advance.
Thanks for the bug report. I've patched parrot in CVS to use perldoc
-U.
To be honest, I'm not entirely sure that any of us actually install
parrot at the moment, but it is a great area to investigate.
Leon
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Alberto Sim?es/EPL sent the following bits through the ether:
> Anybody can tell me the address for RT/perl software?
http://rt.perl.org/ is what you should be using to submit bugs (and
patches!)
HTH, Leon
ps it runs http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/
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re interested in. Parrot is
for dynamic languages, and that gives away the fact that objects would
help in their implementation.
> Objects are coming, though I've been too pressed for time recently.
> String rework first, then objects.
Excellent.
Leon
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ve so many version numbers? It'd be nice to have
objects, otherwise we're restricted to toy languages.
Leon
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... Komputors nefer maik erers
P0[2], 123
set P0[3], 456.789
set P1, P0[1]
typeof S0, P1
print S0
print "\n"
end
Leon
ps i fixed your code
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... Useless invention no. 404: Inflatable anchor
such a thing? A room, at least one
computer, an internet connection and a Plan? Are you looking to learn
more about Parrot or do you have something more specific in mind?
Leon
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Thanks! Leon
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... Famous last words - You and what army?
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HTH, Leon
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... Hmm... How *did* they finally kill Frosty?
x27;make test' runs with parrot, so it
doesn't work. I've attached a patch to config/gen/makefiles/ook.in to
make it work with imcc, although I assume we'd want $(IMCC) to work at
some point.
Leon
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scrib
" which does something sensible
Leon
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... You're in a maze of twisty little Java VMs, all different
Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether:
> Now to get the hand of the signatures...
Ah, well, I gave up on SDL as it was a little complicated. Instead, I
played with curses. Please find attached a cute little curses life
program loading and calling curses at runtime with dlf
Dan Sugalski sent the following bits through the ether:
> pthreads tends to want to be part of the initial program load.
FYI adding -lpthreads to C_LIBS and rebuilding parrot makes it work
for me. Now to get the hand of the signatures...
Leon
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unless I5, OK
print "SDL_Init failed!\n"
end
OK:
print "SDL_Init worked just fine\n"
end
I get:
Loaded...
dlfunced...
../parrot: relocation error: /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0: undefined symbol:
pthread_mutexattr_init
Well, the C code on the page works fine, but of
n.com/docs/books/vmspec/2nd-edition/html/Concepts.doc.html#33377
HTH, Leon
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Cryptonomicon: The girl's guide to geek guys
Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether:
> It looks like the DotGNU weekly IRC meeting will be discussing
> Parrot. Could be interesting:
It was quite interesting. I managed to make it to the early one and
Dan to the later one. An "annotated and abridged chatlog&qu
teresting:
http://www.dotgnu.org/pipermail/developers/2002-October/008345.html
Leon
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Drive A: format failure, formatting C: instead...
g both then it should be
fairly easy to target Parrot too (still-to-be-developed-features not
withstanding. This is quite interesting indeed, especially if you have
a good test suite ;-) I'll try and have a look at it over the weekend.
Leon
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ek.
As Piers says: One more, if you think this summary has value send money
to the Perl Foundation <http://donate.perl-foundation.org> and feed back
and/or T?iBooks to me, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. As usual, the fee
paid for publication of this summary on perl.com has been donated
directly to the Perl Foundation.
Enjoy, Leon
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f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng
)
Oh, I see nobody has replied to this yet. Well, in the past this
feature existed in Parrot, but then was taken out again, presumably
because there was a better way to do it. However, I'm not sure what
that way may be. Can anyone shed some light upon this?
Leon
ttp://search.cpan.org/dist/Java-JVM-Classfile/
In the past couple of weeks I've been wondering whether a hybrid
scheme a la Inline::Java where we dispatch stuff to a real JVM may be
a faster approach to get running.
Why, what exactly did you have in mind?
Leon
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st? Or
multiarray? Perhaps replacing one of these would be better?
Leon
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Useless invention no. 404: Breathable space suit
for proofreading.
As Piers says: One more, if you think this summary has value send money
to the Perl Foundation <http://donate.perl-foundation.org> and feed back
and/or T?iBooks to me, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. As usual, the fee
paid for publication of this summary on perl.com has been donated
directly to the Perl Foundation.
Enjoy, Leon
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Bioengineers wear designer genes
Andy Dougherty sent the following bits through the ether:
> Yup, That's a long-standing bug. Here, again, is the correct fix for it.
Cool, finally imcc works. Now, what's the best way to roll in all the
patches? Are they the correct fixes?
Leon
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cc: unrecognized option `-shared'
ld: Undefined symbols:
_main
make[1]: *** [blib/lib/libparrot.so] Error 1
make: *** [all] Error 2
Thanks, Leon
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p.o ../../platform.o -lm
ld: multiple definitions of symbol _n_spilled
imcparser.o definition of _n_spilled in section (__DATA,__common)
imc.o definition of _n_spilled in section (__DATA,__common)
make: *** [imcc] Error 1
If only I knew more C / linker foo...
Cheers, Leon
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Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether:
> I have a weird bug where concatenation is sometimes failing
Well, this bug is still here. I saw some patches fly by but which of
them is the right patch and can it be applied please? ;-)
Leon
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slides up
soon. BTW anyone want to work on getting Parrot to use less memory so
it can run on palmtops? ;-)
Leon
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Try? Try not. Do, or do not. There is no try
Simon Cozens sent the following bits through the ether:
> The mops test for C# in the parrot distribution uses long-integers,
> which are 64-bit values, instead of the 32-bit integers used by the
> other tests in the directory.
Cool. How do we fix it? Change long to int?
Leon
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=head1 TITLE
Perl 6 summary for week ending 2002-07-21
=head1 AUTHOR
Leon Brocard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
=head1 DETAILS
Another week, another Perl 6 summary. Cunningly this week I have taken
over the summary from Piers in order to make it easier for me to
namecheck myself. It's been
y I've noticed
that there were a couple of patches which appear to have slipped
though the gapes. Patch authors - if you follow the Parrot patch
procedure we won't forget your patches!
Leon
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scribot.
it in a little more detail?
Cheers, Leon
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This sentence no verb
Alberto Manuel Brandão Simões sent the following bits through the ether:
> This means one more function to the vtable!
FWIW every object in Java must implement a hashCode method:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4/docs/api/java/lang/Object.html#hashCode()
Leon
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ded it would make an ideal
PMC to learn from in future. Any takers? ;-)
Leon
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If this were an actual tagline, it would be funny
on it as everything happens
onlist.
OK, apart for general "more docs" what in particular does anyone not
understand about Parrot? We'll try and help and then add docs or
whatever.
HTH, Leon
ps as it so happens, blogan's question could go into a faq...
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nested datastructures... ;-)
Leon
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I have seen the evidence. I want DIFFERENT evidence!
utine that are never called
externally you're welcome to optimise away and ignore the calling
conventions]
Next update will be PMC examples... Leon
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Abando
meantime? ;-)
Leon
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He who reads many fortunes gets confused
rator (see the patch). A BF compiler would be neat too, of
course.
Any chance of this going in the languages directory if I provide more
docs and examples?
Leon
ps yes, interpreters for "real" languages on the way
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rds dynamic languages.
The main problem is that Perl is so dynamic. You can redefine almost
anything in Perl at runtime. This means we need a very dynamic virtual
machine behind it in order to run Perl (and possibly Ruby, Python)
efficiently.
Hope this helps, Leon
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Sebastian Bergmann sent the following bits through the ether:
> NMAKE : fatal error U1073: 'config_h.in' konnte nicht erstellt werden
> Stop.
And likewise here on my linux box:
make: *** No rule to make target `config_h.in', needed by `Makefile'. St
print " }\n\n";
}
Cheers, Leon
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All generalizations are false, including this one
- End forwarded message -
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my C code
look ok?
Leon
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(c) The Intergalactic Thought Association
/*
** jvm.ops
*/
VERSION = PARROT_VERSION;
=head1 NAME
jvm.ops
=cut
=head1 DESCRIPTION
..
Leon
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It is now pitch dark. If you proceed, you will likely fall into a pit
Andy Wardley sent the following bits through the ether:
> http://andywardley.com/parrot/
That's a wonderful colour! ;-)
Leon
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High message:
Dan Sugalski sent the following bits through the ether:
> We should come up with an alternative for the bytecode files that
> has the line number info out of band.
This is what Java bytecode does. It has an oob offset => line number
mapping. Are .pyc the same?
Leon
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#x27;ve been waiting until Parrot can do objects and
classes. Converting the bytecode isn't the problem, it's converting
the Java APIs that is...
HTH, Leon
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#include
k hack, and that wasn't it ;-)
Leon
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Do not clone your neighbors in their sleep
Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether:
> o JVM is stack-based, Parrot is register-based (major difference!)
I forgot to point out that details of the JVM are available at:
http://java.sun.com/docs/books/vmspec/2nd-edition/html/VMSpecTOC.doc.html
Leon
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erto, you'll want to
check out the following details too:
http://cvs.perl.org/cvsweb/parrot/docs/overview.pod?rev=1.2&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
http://www.parrotcode.org/examples/
http://www.astray.com/java/
Hope this helps, Leon
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er op, you see)
Hope that makes it clear, Leon
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Error 404: There is no spoon
mops.pasm: 11.713909
./mops: 108.442655
with -O3:
mops.pasm: 17.030964
./mops: 240.719673
NEW LOOP
mops.pasm: 10.647256
./mops: 73.574232
with -O3:
mops.pasm: 15.141514
./mops: 150.416772
Of course, the benchmark could be improved, but I suggest we should at
least change it to be good,
I0, N3
print I0 # prints 4
print "\n"
set I0, 2
set I1, 2
add I2, I0, I1
print I2 # prints 4
print "\n"
end
Hope this helps, Leon
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Dan Sugalski sent the following bits through the ether:
> For the Java-impaired (i.e. me :) what's the -Xint option do?
It turns off the JIT (which is enabled by default).
Leon
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Nanoware...
will be the fun part for you I imagine ;-)
Leon
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Okay - right after this one we're BACK to the TOPIC
t so I can play with translation ideas and not
have to worry about static type inference...
Errr, so not yet. But I'll be updating the parrotcode.org examples
rsn, honest...
Leon
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Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether:
> It's all greek to me, Leon
The following bytecode:
0075 [01d4]: 0032 0008 000a 0008
gt_nc_ic N8, [nc:10], L2
is wrong. It shouldn't be [nc:10]. 10 is the numeric c
/sysdeps/generic/libc-start.c:129
It's all greek to me, Leon
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... "1001 Things To Do With Whipped Cream", LGLB (1995)
Bart Lateur sent the following bits through the ether:
> What underlying graphics engine would you use?
I see a great need for OpenGL opcodes (let's forget about
arrays and hashes, right?) ;-)
Leon
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Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether:
> Attached is a patch to actually make dec_n_nc do what it should.
> (Also included is a minor doc patch which I've previously sent but
> which hasn't yet been applied ;-)
Can someone apply this please?
Le
Gibbs Tanton - tgibbs sent the following bits through the ether:
> For the 0.0.2 release
While we're at it: Simon, what do we need to have ready before
we release the next version?
Leon
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n from the
bytecode. I'd prefer to have code which does real liveliness
calculations and can do real optimisations before we start talking
about adding more opcodes ;-)
Leon
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s snuck in 'cos
it's so darn useful.
Leon
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... You seem a decent fellow, I hate to kill you
Index: assemble.pl
=
you should only do peephole
optimisations within them. Ignore if this is over your head. Enjoy the
pretty picture above and bear in mind that this will eventually turn
into a real bytecode optimiser for Parrot. Maybe.
Leon
[1] Inevitable, really
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I get a warning during the Configure process:
...
Alright, now I'm gonna check some stuff by compiling and running
a small C program. This could take a bit...
test.c:13:1: warning: no newline at end of file
...
Attached is a trivial patch which adds a newline.
Leon
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Attached is a patch to actually make dec_n_nc do what it should.
(Also included is a minor doc patch which I've previously sent but
which hasn't yet been applied ;-)
Leon
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Nanoware.
Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether:
> Attached are trivial comment fixes for two files.
Oh go on, I know we're in a feature freeze but this is a doc
patch. Can someone apply these please?
Leon
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on
ps should i start filing bug reports in rt if my assembler bugs
aren't being fixed? ;-)
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te of some sort,
although Simon's recent article on perl.com was damn good.
Leon
ps the assembler doesn't grok "if I5, NEXT4, NEXT3" or comments
on lines which just have labels
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Nanoware...
once this is fixed
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... And he disappeared in a puff of logic
ng its bytecode verification stage
(before it runs the bytecode). It does some simple checks to see if
the bytecode is doing reasonable things (no halting problem here, move
along). Something for later, perhaps.
Leon
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Iterative So
ut again ;-)?
Leon
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... With a rubber duck, one's never alone
n-Time compiler?
Oh, I hadn't realised blackdown had that. Now a smaller difference:
[acme@piglet parrot]$ time java -Xint Bench
16.430u 0.080s 0:18.17 90.8%0+0k 0+0io 5783pf+0w
Didn't want to panic you all, Leon
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oh, and are we calling it pvm? parrotvm?
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... I am serious. And don't call me Shirley
class Bench {
public static void main (String args[]) {
int q =
a look, although we may want to generalise a bit more:
http://java.sun.com/docs/books/vmspec/html/ClassFile.doc.html
Leon
[1] No, attributes aren't limited to four characters. Let's
be modern about this...
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Iterativ
out why.
HTH, Leon
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... Mr. Worf, blow the Windows-powered Borg ship out of this Universe!
Index: t/euclid.pasm
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...
# Some simple code to print some Fibonacci numbers
# Leon Brocard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
print "The first 20 fibonacci numbers are:\n&quo
tuff for far too long. I'm
interested in converting between languages. At the moment I expect to
do that using pasm, but the second we have a bytecode-writing module...
Look at all these programming languages for the JVM.
s/JVM/ParrotVM/ perhaps?
http://grunge.cs.tu-berlin.de/~tolk/vmlanguage
4
I reg 1 is 10
I reg 1 is 5
I reg 1 is 15
I reg 1 is 6
I reg 1 is 21
I reg 1 is 7
I reg 1 is 28
I reg 1 is 8
I reg 1 is 36
I reg 1 is 9
I reg 1 is 45
Cool, huh. Much more on this soon! Leon
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er suggests .pex files - for executables, perhaps?
Lucy McWilliam:
.rip?
HTH, Leon
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... Fascinating, Captain
der what kind of subset would be necessary - surely the
most useful constructs are also the most complicated...
Leon
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yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/
... Where has all that spare time just come from? ;-)
ble version might also be
interesting: or do we expect bytecode -> source translators to do that
for us?
I'd strongly suggest that we drop local encodings and go for network
encodings at all times, but this point may be mute.
HTH, Leon
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