Re: CLOS multiple dispatch

2001-09-05 Thread David L. Nicol
Dan Sugalski wrote: [... massive sniping snippage ...] > The problem I was talking about was those cases where we have a good but > not perfect match at compile time. In the case you gave, we assume that @A > are full of fish, so dispatch to the "multiple fish parameter" version of > list_medica

Re: An overview of the Parrot interpreter

2001-09-05 Thread Piers Cawley
Dan Sugalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > At 10:32 AM 9/4/2001 +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: > > > * Methods get their parameters passed in as a list in PMC register 0, > > > * unless we can unambiguously figure out their prototype at > > > * compilation time > > > >Will the subroutine know how it

RE: An overview of the Parrot interpreter

2001-09-05 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 11:17 AM 9/5/2001 -0700, Hong Zhang wrote: >Howerver, I like to point out one hidden overhead of register opcode is >decoding the parameter. The add instrction of stack machine does not have >args, but for register machine, it has 3 arguments. I skipped the decoding step in the machine design

RE: An overview of the Parrot interpreter

2001-09-05 Thread Hong Zhang
> If you really want a comparison, here's one. Take this loop: > > i = 0; > while (i < 1000) { >i = i + 7; > } > > with the ops executed in the loop marked with pipes. The corresponding > parrot code would be: > > getaddr P0, i > store P0, 0 >

RE: An overview of the Parrot interpreter

2001-09-05 Thread Hong Zhang
> True, but it is easier to generate FAST code for a register machine. > A stack machine forces a lot of book-keeping either run-time inc/dec of sp, > or alternatively compile-time what-is-offset-now stuff. The latter is a real > pain if you are trying to issue multiple instructions at once. I

Re: An overview of the Parrot interpreter

2001-09-05 Thread Dan Sugalski
[I'm answering these out of order--sorry. Already answered elsewhere bits snipped] At 02:28 PM 9/5/2001 +0200, Paolo Molaro wrote: >On 09/04/01 Dan Sugalski wrote: > > > More on this point later in the mail. > > >There's a reason for that: register virtual machines are more complex > > >and more

Re: An overview of the Parrot interpreter

2001-09-05 Thread Uri Guttman
> "DS" == Dan Sugalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> stack machine -> post-order walk of the tree >> >> reg machine -> instruction selection -> register allocation -> DS> So what? That happens exactly once, in the compilation phase. Yes, it means DS> compilation will be somewhat

Re: An overview of the Parrot interpreter

2001-09-05 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 03:19 PM 9/5/2001 +0200, Paolo Molaro wrote: >On 09/04/01 Uri Guttman wrote: > > does it really matter about comprehension? this is not going to be used > > by the unwashed masses. a stack machine is easier to describe (hence all > > the freshman CS projects :), but as dan has said, there isn't

Re: An overview of the Parrot interpreter

2001-09-05 Thread Paolo Molaro
On 09/04/01 Uri Guttman wrote: > does it really matter about comprehension? this is not going to be used > by the unwashed masses. a stack machine is easier to describe (hence all > the freshman CS projects :), but as dan has said, there isn't much > mental difference if you have done any serious

Re: An overview of the Parrot interpreter

2001-09-05 Thread Paolo Molaro
On 09/04/01 Dan Sugalski wrote: > Regardless, it's the way we're going to go for now. If it turns out to be a > performance dog then we'll go with a stack-based system. Initial > indications look pretty good, though. Care to share some numbers/code for that? > >You're right that optimization r

Re: debugger API PDD, v1.1

2001-09-05 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 08:32:36PM +1000, Rick Welykochy wrote: > Dave Storrs wrote: > [schnippe] > > =head3 Generating Code on the Fly > > What's this =head3 stuff? My pod processor barfs on it :) Then update it. :)

Re: debugger API PDD, v1.1

2001-09-05 Thread Rick Welykochy
Dave Storrs wrote: [schnippe] > =head3 Generating Code on the Fly What's this =head3 stuff? My pod processor barfs on it :) > Aye, here's the rub. _ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited "One of the main advantages of the 'dot-bomb' downtur