can run freely in the end-user's account. Think
cgi_wrapper without spawning a new interpreter.
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--
-BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-
Version: 3.1
GU>CS d->-- s-:- a20 C++ UL+++@ P+++>+ L++@ E-() N o? K? w@ M-- !V
PS++ PE Y+ PGP(-) t++@ 5+ X+++ R+ tv+ b+++ DI+ D+ G e>++ h! r- y?
--END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
ly get
the location of the AUTOLOADER sub and not where the sub being autoloaded
was acatualy written.
Most of the rest would require siginificant overhead on all programs that
might get debugged (the debugger is a module; you don't necessarly have to
start it from the commandline). Us
nd
non-greedy, lazy assertations. If you came up with a good way to specify
along both axes, I think we'd have a winner.
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--
midendian: She never sleeps.
mousetrout: But I do. I just regret it after I wake up.
AIM: theorbtwo homepage: http://www.rtweb.net/theorb/
ICBM: 40:04:15.100 N, 76:18:53.165 W
lowing here. It seems that in
the vast majority of all cases, you'd need to compile (or at the very least,
parse) the entire regex. Also, you can get /vast/ efficency gains by
compiling a regex, so you can check the easy things first.
-=- James Mastros
--
midendian: She never sleep
ns. I
personaly would prefer to see units of seconds, a basepoint of 1/1/1970, and
resolution and accuracy best-reasonably-available.)
If you really want time() to do what it did before, you can always say:
sub time {int (CORE::time()) + };
Indeed, a perl5::time module that does exactly that mi
change the meaning of time() slightly without changing to a
different function name? Yes, it will silently break some existing code,
but that's OK -- remember, 90% with traslation, 75% without. being in that
middle 15% isn't a bad thing.
-=- James Mastros
--
"My country
s result slightly differently is not "not
keeping perl perl", nor is it not keeping time time; changing time() such
that it did somthing radicly different (like returning time-of-day instead)
would be changing it's soul.
And I don't think we should be keeping code-level compatablit
't modify it. And if you try, you don't error, you
recruse. And perl will happily recruse until you run out of memory, and VB
will give a stack overflow, and take down the IDE and your code unless
you're careful.
-=- James Mastros
--
"My country 'tis of thee, of y&#x
AC address of
the network card, and some other random stuff).
I think the current method is probably best for us.
-=- James Mastros
--
"My country 'tis of thee, of y'all i'm rappin'! Lan where my brothers
fought, land where our King was shot -- from every buildi
#x27;s SysV IPC scheme into perl. (And I
don't even know what XPG4 is.)
Speaking of contract names, is Damien about?
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--
"My country 'tis of thee, of y'all i'm rappin'! Lan where my brothers
fought, land where our King was shot -- from eve
contain two
consecutive colons. (or "'"s, but that's going to be thrown out, I assume).
-=- James Mastros
--
"My country 'tis of thee, of y'all i'm rappin'! Lan where my brothers
fought, land where our King was shot -- from every building
he
difference between an alias and an automagicly dereferenced ref? If
nothing, why do we claim to never autoderef?) Is assigning to @__ the same
as assigning to @{$__}? Nope. Does @$__ have any meaning if $__ is an
alias, not a reference? Nope.
I'm quickly getting more confused here t
On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 05:30:59PM +0100, Johan Vromans wrote:
> James Mastros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > And I always hated that about VB and Pascal -- you can assign to the magic
> > variable, but can't modify it.
>
> That was before the invention of a
it's independent of the sub's name. I wish this could be
> extended to doing recursive calls without having to say the subs own
> name, again.
I agree, making the magic variable be the name of the sub is a bad idea.
Your idea for a name for the currently executing sub is interesting, I
thin
ffer is two magic values, $^R and @^R. And, as
sombodyoranother pointed out, @^R can't be a real array, only a list. (I
don't think that will be a problem, though.)
> [stuff about manual vs. automatic return-stack elminition]
Yeah, you're probably right. But return-as-assignment
ormation
on scopes that caller doesn't (IE any scope not a do, require, eval, or
sub-call.)
-=- James Mastros
--
"My country 'tis of thee, of y'all i'm rappin'! Lan where my brothers
fought, land where our King was shot -- from every building top, le
On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 08:43:02PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 11:46:48AM -0500, James Mastros wrote:
> > By the time you get to the last line, you've already forgoten WTF you named
> > the return variable.
> Eh, I don't think that b
No | Yes |
No. (Source packages are signed, though.) (At present, feature is planned
for future, and shouldn't be all that hard.)
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--
"All I really want is somebody to curl up with and pretend the world is a
safe place."
AIM: theorbtwo homepage: http://www.rtweb.net/theorb/
sumers, assumedly)
licenced code from RSA. However, it shouldn't be a problem, since RSA's
pattent (in the US, anyway, and I don't think they pattented anywhere else)
has timed out.
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--
"All I really want is somebody to curl up with and pretend the world
them that knows how to do special things with
files in that directory (like set up symlinks from the normal man dirs).
BTW, this plan would make it painful to do with perl5 setups, since they
commonly have odd dir structures.
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--
"All I really want is somebody to cur
On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 06:56:47PM -0300, Branden wrote:
> James Mastros wrote:
> > magical "install" script in them that knows how to do special things with
> > files in that directory (like set up symlinks from the normal man dirs).
>
> That probably should be
uctor)
Fiat?
It's pretty hard (for me) to think of when you'd want an AUTOLOADed DESTROY,
since if you create /any/ objects of the class, DESTROY will be called.
"It isn't possible to AUTOLOAD DESTROY." --perlmem(6)
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--
"All I really want is so
(cond) { somthing } }.
CATCH is just shorthand.
> - What's the return value? With RFC 88 you can say:
The return value is undef (or empty-list) until you hit a return statement.
If the code dies before returning, then it stays undef/() unless somthing
run after that (IE a CATCH/POS
On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 01:09:11PM -0500, John Porter wrote:
> > James Mastros wrote:
> > >"It isn't possible to AUTOLOAD DESTROY." --perlmem(6)
[Note: that's a hypothetical quote.]
> I'm not sure what that means. Certainly AUTOLOAD gets
> called
with a message about ``This object was already
> DESTROYed.''.
I think an ordinary "attempt to dereference undef" will work.
-=- James Mastros
--
"All I really want is somebody to curl up with and pretend the world is a
safe place."
AIM: theorbtwo homepage: http://www.rtweb.net/theorb/
On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 09:59:31AM -0500, John Porter wrote:
> James Mastros wrote:
> > I'd think that an extension to delete is in order here. Basicly, delete
> > should DESTROY the arg, change it's value to undef,...
> Huh? What delete are you thinking of? This is
tly GC.
3) Automatic -- Certian runtime events, not directly (or obviously) related
to the flow of execution, like when the number of SVs created or the
amount of memory allocated since the last GC run exced a certian critical
value.
(I /think/ a dictionary would agree with me, but I'm not about to get pissy
and look them up.)
I was saying that we should do 1 and 3, but not 2.
-=- James Mastros
hat there would be a "invalid" marker of some sort.
It's neccessary (I think) for a pool, which I assumed. Bad James, bad.
-=- James Mastros
--
"All I really want is somebody to curl up with and pretend the world is a
safe place."
AIM: theorbtwo homepage: http://www.rtweb.net/theorb/
t; is immediate).
I'm fond of post, myself. Simply means "subsequent to", literaly (m-w.com,
post-, 2a. Yes, I'm anal sometimes.) "Always" makes me say "but when", and
"later" seems like the wrong part-of-speech to me.
-=- James Mastros
--
t;sub {}"s.)
Indeed,
map $_->[0], sort {&$sort($a->[1], $b->[1])} map [$_, &$attrib($_)], @list;
does what I intendeded. (Where ex $sort = sub {$_[0] cmp $_[1]}, and
$attrib = sub {lc $_}.) (Of course, this doesn't always use the optimal
form.)
-=- James Mastr
] elem, and extract the ->[1] elem. Thus, it might not be as
effecent as a hand-crafted schwartzian, but will be at least as efficent as
a naieve straight sort (except in pathalogical cases, like tsort((^_),
(^_<=>^_), @list)).
-=- James Mastros
--
The most beautiful thing we c
g out of his head
> and hiding behind the bookcase)
That's a really wierd image. Twisted, even.
-=- James Mastros
--
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger,
who can no longer pa
Then again, if you think of objects (in the OO sense) as doing things, then
they normaly are the subject, and _not_ the indirect-object (in the english
sense).
(Note, BTW, that both my german and my lingustics aren't so hot.)
-=- James Mastros
--
The most beautiful thing we can experi
n
indicator that you should be using that schwartz thang.
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--
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger,
who can no longer pause to wonder and stand wrapt in awe, is as
On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 06:31:22PM -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote:
> At 04:04 PM 3/26/2001 -0500, James Mastros wrote:
> >The only way f(a) can not be stable and f(a) <=> f(b) can be is somthing of
> >a corner case. In fact, it's a lot of a corner case.
> You're ig
")=123456
f(f("+123,456))=123456
The functon is not idempotent. Even if you checked f(x)==x (function is the
identity), an input of "123456" would work.
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--
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true
>my_compare(b,c) < 0, then it should also be the case that
> >my_compare(a,c) < 0
I can't define it better then that. (Though there's more to it then that).
Note that only the sign of the answer is gaurnteed, so it doesn't even have
to be interna
that increment a
counter every time they are accessed, for example.)
I think that the difference between 4&3 dosn't matter. We only have things
in 4 and not 3 that vary in abs(), but not sign.
We're left with 1&2, and for 1, the sort won't work anyway.
So long as we consid
te such as
:simple or :stateless. So let it be spoken, so let it be done.
This isn't any more preverse then the "you can't assign to constants" rule.
-=- James Mastros
--
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 05:57:30PM -0500, James Mastros wrote:
> [A bunch of stuff]
Oh, and I agree with sombody else on this thread that unless otherwise
stated, the sort should always assume statelessness (and thus the ability to
cache at will). If it's trivial to see that the sort
dvanced garbage collector, just like
> Scheme or Strongtalk compiler?
We want to make it as fast as reasonably possible. Writing a native
compiler might not be _reasonably_ possible. And an advanced GC will almost
certianly be part of perl6; they're orthogonal issues.
-=-
arison for the same
> arguments.
Ahh, bingo. That's what a number of people (inculding me) are suggesting --
a :functional / :pure / :stateless / :somthingelseIdontrecall attribute
attachable to a sub.
-=- James Mastros
--
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the myster
o english as a command
form, telling the Cow to speak. (If you translate both -> and ' ' into a
comma.)
Anyway, I'm trying to argue lingustics in a perl ML, with zero training.
Is there a linguist in the house? (Hm, didn't Larry go to Japan to learn a
language with wierd
a better system, use
a site-policy file, or bite the bullet and change the #! lines.
-=- James Mastros
--
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger,
who can no longer pause to wond
't symlink
bunzip -> bunzip2 and bzip -> bzip2 and have it do the Right Thing. On the
gripping hand, when combined with other mesures, not so bad.
-=- James Mastros
--
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and science. H
you
really want to be able to read from a URL in one line, let yourself do
. But make opening a URL an explicit act.
> But I really mustn't spill too many half-digested beans here. :-)
If you have to, at least do it in the toilet.
> P.S. Larry's Second Law of Language Rede
ewhere on these threads: What does changing to "." from -> buy us?
I can see that "." is shorter to type then ->, but, say, \ would be just as
good. I can't really say changing because "." is more standard. It isn't
standard to C or perl5. It's possible to misparse "." as concat with "." as
a sepperator on version-strings, but that's more of a problem with using it
for method-call.
-=- James Mastros
If you want that, you could go with `, which could produce some
ambiguity, both with qx and with ', which looks very similar in many fonts.
BTW, I think that considering no-whitespace cases of indirect object is
quite silly -- does anybody acatualy use that?
This is the first I thought it wasn't a syntax error.
-=- James Mastros
and I think the use of := agrees with what is planned.
It also avoids the use of a verbose .next (and the dot, which I still don't
like ).
-=- James Mastros
ive), so I'd rather we stay with:
>$a = <$b>; # same as next $b or $b.next
> Hey, maybe we can convince Larry... ;-)
I'd tend to agree. Especialy that we don't need a qw() alternative.
However, I don't think Larry's in a convincable mood -- coughdotcough.
-=- James Mastros
9 !097!0!9080"; would
stop looking after it had found and returned 0!0 and 9, and never even
glance at the 98. Basicly, if you assign to a list of lvalues, @returnlist,
it
will stop looking after it has found scalar(@returnlist) matches or
end-of-input.
-=- James Mastros
).
That lets us keep for somthing iteratorish, which saves
special-caseing (I do occasionaly use a qw list with one element),
and lets us keep continuity.
Anyway, I'm fairly certian that I'll use iterators more then qw lists.
-=- James Mastros
ers) within one file, and having perl5 being another parser. Put them
together, and you get exactly this.
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sing
the comma operator. (Or did we get rid of the comma operator when
I wasn't paying attention?) If we do have @foo[(stuff)] make stuff
be in list context, then that'd be a special case (I think).
-=- James Mastros
it would be a plain hash, with funny-
character included in the key.
-=- James Mastros
intended for, it seems like a very concise,
> expressive way to do multiple relationship tests without needing all those
> "&&"s and such.
Indeed. (Though, as defined above, this won't work on the string
operations, only the numerics.)
-=- James Mastros
ly real benifit I see is typing ease, and -> isn't that
hard to type. That's what editor macros are for.
It's rather unfornate that we've run out of characters to use
for operators, but we've got to deal with it better then flipping
around operators willy-nilly.
-=- James Mastros
ements, but
it compares as a range. 1.1 should ~~ 1..2; pugs thinking that's false is a
bug, not a feature.
Of course, that doesn't mean implementing range in a subset of perl6 without
it isn't interesting, and possibly useful for bootstrapping.
-=- James Mastros
name than 'regex'.
[...]
> Maybe 'match' is a better keyword.
Can I suggest we keep match meaning thing you get when you run a thingy
against a string, and make "matcher" be the thingy that gets run?
100% agree with you, Allison; thanks for putting words to "doesn't feel
right".
-=- James Mastros
ould have a s/z/s/ version, for
those who speak a z-impared dialect of English.)
-=- James Mastros
. So far, it looks like a
very nice list -- high signal, low noize, and it's possible to keep it
all straight in your head.
-=- James Mastros
e a list returns it's last element
whereas an array returns it's size, because it simply ain't so, and
causes confusion. (I'd write an RFC suggesting that the scalar comma op
dies, but it's too late, and I'm sure somebody already did. Anyway,
that's a p6l thing too.)
-=- James Mastros
hat last point.) This whole paragraph might properly be pushed
off to the discussion of Num in Bool context later.)
-=- James Mastros
On 11/26/2002 8:02 AM, James Mastros wrote:
Guys, can we please not argue over just how arithmetic and such works
for NaN and Inf, and defer to IEEE specs (IEEE-754, AKA IEEE floating
point)? It'll save much argument, and that's how it'll almost
certianly be implemente
role into some
> class or other to determine the behavior if they care.
Why is this a role, rather then just implementing postcircumfix:«[
]»(Whatever $self: Int $index) ? (I'd hope the error message is a bit
more newbie-friendly, but that's the only special-casing I see it
needing...)
-=- James Mastros
should be looking into how to make it a pragmata,
rather then pushing the idea on perl6-language. It shouldn't be too
hard -- a matter of using the equivalent of perl5's UNIVERSAL::AUTOLOAD,
and the OUTER:: scope.
-=- James Mastros,
theorbtwo
infix .new.
>
> (args)`Class;
The problem with it is that somehow we have to get 5`m / 30`s to work,
even though m is an operator, which AFAIK means it needs to be a macro,
or the moral equivalent (is parsed).
Also, having every unit be a like-named class would very muc
probably never really complete. For
now, I'm just reading along and occasionaly kabitzing.)
-=- James Mastros
On 11/27/2002 3:09 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote:
At 1:02 AM -0500 11/27/02, James Mastros wrote:
On 11/25/2002 9:02 PM, Dan Sugalski wrote:
Pretty straightforward. Edit call_types.txt. First parameter's the
return type, the rest are the parameter types. Use "p" for any
generic
need to create typed C numbers without risking
to lose precision, you should write them as a string literals:
I think Larry has mandated the oppisite -- that we Do The Right Thing
with bigints automaticly -- IE that BigInt is a subclass of Int, with
full automatic promotion. (I think this isn't going to be true of
little-i int, though.)
-=- James Mastros
t, IE 22#11
is 1*22**1+1, 22#0:11 is 0*22**1+11.)
Another possiblity is to simply consider base>36 numbers with no colons
to be in error, which might be best.
-=- James Mastros
h
aren't neccessarly the same -- zero-width non-breaking space is
nonprinting, and doesn't wordbreak, but is whitespace!
=head2 Gory Details of parsing quoted constructs
I think this section is going to be very much different -- since the
perl6 parser is going to be defined in perl6 regexes, it may just say
"see anydelimiter.pl and quoted.pl".
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tion to text which they enclose; they can be
embedded within interpolated strings.
\L{}Lowercase all characters within brackets
\U{}Uppercase all characters within brackets
\Q{}Escape all characters that need escaping
within brackets (except "}")
--
0101 \101 p5/C compatable Unintutive
0o101 \o101 ConsistentHard to read
0c101 \o101 keeps \c for Inconsistent
control-char
0c101 unsupported Consistentoctal string chars
unsupported
0t101 \t101 Consistentwhat's tab?
Or somthing else?
All choices are bad, which one is best?
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ndows and several other OSes (I
think, I like to play with Unicode but have little actual use for it),
ALT-0nnn is spelt in decimal only. Decimal Unicode ordnals are
fundimently flawed (since blocks are always on nice even hex numbers,
but ugly decimal ones), but useful anyway).
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On 12/05/2002 12:18 PM, Michael Lazzaro wrote:
On Thursday, December 5, 2002, at 02:11 AM, James Mastros wrote:
On 12/04/2002 3:21 PM, Larry Wall wrote:
\x and \o are then just shortcuts.
Can we please also have \0 as a shortcut for \0x0?
\0 in addition to \x, meaning the same thing? I
omthing_here($_);
die "Bye-bye universe!" if ($_=42);
}
Will never compute anything after the first 41 element in @foo occours.
(I'm assuming map, grep, and any other list-oriented function that can
get away with it will act lazily when given a lazy-list argument.)
-=- James Mastros
esentation slides on this at
http://perl.plover.com/yak/memoize-quant/ -- "Quantitative Analysis of
Memoization".
-=- James Mastros
PS -- This is getting offtopic, even for p6l.
neccessarly have the
same reprensentation in PBC -- to whit, a constant float in different
compilation units will get different slots in the constant table, but
are really identical. The same is true of constant strings. (Constant
integers are inlined, and thus this doesn't apply t
(This is a reply to a mail accidently sent to me personaly instead of
the list. Buddha, care to resend your other mail? I havn't quoted it
in total.)
On 12/12/2002 9:43 AM, Buddha Buck wrote:
James Mastros wrote:
Here's my basic defintion of ID: Two things should have the same
s, unless someone can think of something useful
for it to mean.
It would, logicaly, mean that the class Module has a method "foo" if
true -- applying can on an object tells you if the class of that object
can do somthing, and Main is an object of class Module... right?
(%Main:: is a hash,
the option of
committing later. Sort of what a "try" block would like to be when
it grows up...
Or hypothetical variables in a non-regex context...
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should be
unique across a process over all time.) If that'd require that an
object's ID be a combination of the header address and a generation
counter, that's OK. It means a serilization point in the allocator, but
I think we'd need one no matter what (Dan?).
-=- James Mastros
even that infesable, no?)
(BTW, I removed p5p from the CC list, since I don't think this makes
sense for non-JIT targets... and since p5 doesn't JIT...)
-=- James Mastros
ther major sections located dynamicly.
(Then again, making me happy shouldn't be anybody's priority.)
-=- James Mastros
now what's actualy going on that we have to
be wary of. (Even authenticating the host is potentialy useful...
though I can't think of a good use.)
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eads) this shouldn't be an issue.
Might I suggest that we make sure we can deal sanely with either mmaping
or reading PBC files, and then worry about this later, like when
somebody actualy finds it being a problem in real use?
-=- James Mastros
mod_perl get funded could give to the
first, and people who wanted to see Larry, you (Dan), Damian, and the
gang get funded (or, unfornatly, some subset thereof, depending on how
much money comes in) could give to the second... and everybody gets
their way.
-=- James Mastros
d seem, then, that the answer is "there's some property of
thingies that gives the name that error messages will use to refer to
them". (I want to thank the man who made "thingy" the proper technical
term, BTW.) So what's it called?
-=- James Mastros
ave a pair of keywords or a data item for "has been made into a
test", and we should provide a list of bugs that have not been marked
that way, and also have not been marked as "can't make into a test".
-=- James Mastros
tstrap yourself into PIR, for example. (Either with yourself, or
compiling whatever other language you're written in into PBC.)
-=- James Mastros,
theorbtwo
's a syntax
error. It'd certainly make many constructs easier.
-=- James Mastros
Luke Palmer wrote:
James Mastros writes:
Does this imply that it's now possible to type C, and
declare @foo? In the current perl, this doesn't work -- it's a syntax
error. It'd certainly make many constructs easier.
That looks weird to me. But as Rod points out, it can b
See attached diff.
Index: src/Help.hs
===
--- src/Help.hs (revision 216)
+++ src/Help.hs (working copy)
@@ -2,6 +2,7 @@
#define VERSION "6"
#define DATE ""
#include "config.h"
+#include "Version.h"
{-
Online help and banner
t it stuck into the
approps Syn? (This, of course, might be a bit of a problem; the best
solution I can think of is to start on Syn 29).
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t it stuck into the
approps Syn? (This, of course, might be a bit of a problem; the best
solution I can think of is to start on Syn 29).
-=- James Mastros
got to get to bed, though.
Goodnight,
-=- James Mastros,
theorbtwo
hogonality strikes again.
...unless read returns a Str but source("foo").
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rom DEM to FRF,
you /must/ convert to EUR in the middle, or you will get the wrong
result. Of course, neither the DEM nor the FRF have existed in several
years, so it probably isn't that important...)
-=- James Mastros,
Who certainly looks forward to this.
don't like CGI.pm's HTML generation, for example
-- it makes you feel like you don't need to know HTML, when you do.)
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