On Nov 15, 2006, at 12:04 PM, Mark J. Reed wrote:
On 11/14/06, Vincent Foley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I was toying around with Pugs and I tried the following Perl 5
list assignment
my ($a, undef, $b) = 1..3;
Huh. I didn't think that worked in Perl 5, either. What am I
misrememberi
On Jan 29, 2007, at 17:06 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
+absense of context propagation by the optimizer). The value returned
Minor spelling nit: "absence"
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On Feb 5, 2007, at 17:26 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
+This can be viewed as a form of multiple dispatch, except that it's
+based on longest-token matching rather than signature matcing. The
"matcing"?
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On Apr 12, 2007, at 14:52 , brian d foy wrote:
At the moment the file test operators that I expect to return true or
false do, but the true is the filename. I expected a boolean, for no
other reason than Perl 6 has them so it might as well use them.
This is documented somewhere already. Pugs
On Apr 13, 2007, at 9:04 , brian d foy wrote:
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brandon
S. Allbery KF8NH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
File tests are supposed to return something which:
- behaves as a Bool
- stringifies as a filename
- numifies as a file size or as a time, if
On Apr 13, 2007, at 20:09 , Jonathan Lang wrote:
What does pair notation buy us that quoted-postfix notation doesn't
already cover?
I don't think it does. What it does buy is that the *unquoted*
notation works: the definition of Perl6's grammar turns out to lead
to `-f' and `- f' parsin
Minor typo?
On Apr 25, 2007, at 1:06 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Run-time mixins are done with C and C. The C binary
operator is a mutator that derives a new anonymous class (if
necessary)
and binds the object to it:
$fido does Sentry
-The C operator is non-associative, so this is
On Apr 29, 2007, at 6:42 , Jonathan Lang wrote:
In effect, the signature gets attached as a property of the string,
and 'can()' checks for the signature property.
The only problem that I have with this idea is that I can't think of
any uses for a "signatory string" outside of '.can()'.
Maybe
On Jun 1, 2007, at 5:44 , Thomas Wittek wrote:
Larry Wall:
Nope. Hash is mostly about meaning, and very little about
implementation.
Please don't assume that I name things according to Standard Names in
Computer Science. I name things in English. Hash is just something
that is disordered,
On Dec 8, 2007, at 9:06 , Richard Hainsworth wrote:
or not quite right. And there is absolutely no linguistic link
between 'switch' and 'case'. If I am uncomfortable with 'switch',
'case' really sucks. In fact, whenever I work in language other
than perl, and 'switch' is the preferred cons
On Dec 21, 2007, at 5:54 , Larry Wall wrote:
On Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 03:24:30PM -0800, Michael G Schwern wrote:
: Jonathan Scott Duff wrote:
: [1] Note, I'm the sort of person that uses "" until I have a
reason otherwise.
Well, me too, but P6 just provides a different set of reasons. :)
T
On 2008 Aug 2, at 12:57, Larry Wall wrote:
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 05:56:14AM -0500, John M. Dlugosz wrote:
In S04, "Other similar Code-only forms ..."
What does that mean?
It is feebly attempting to say that, because these are control flow
functions, the argument is really a thunk that the
On 2008 Aug 8, at 10:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Modified: doc/trunk/design/syn/S06.pod
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On 2008 Aug 8, at 22:53, John M. Dlugosz wrote:
What is the difference between (1,2,3) and [1,2,3] ?
IIRC one is a list, the other a reference to a list --- which in perl6
will be hidden for the most part. so practically speaking the
difference is minimal.
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On 2008 Aug 8, at 23:06, John M. Dlugosz wrote:
Why is 3;3;3 a list of captures rather than a list of lists?
IIRC it has to do with providing enough information for slices and/or
* to work in multiple dimensions.
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On 2008 Aug 8, at 23:12, John M. Dlugosz wrote:
Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH allbery-at-ece.cmu.edu |Perl 6| wrote:
On 2008 Aug 8, at 23:06, John M. Dlugosz wrote:
Why is 3;3;3 a list of captures rather than a list of lists?
IIRC it has to do with providing enough information for slices and/
or
On 2008 Aug 10, at 9:40, Carl MXXsak (via RT) wrote:
r30155:
$ ./perl6 -e '//'
Syntax error at line 1, near "//"
Could be something nicer, in line with "The empty pattern is now
illegal." from S05.
But can that really be easily distinguished from the C operator?
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On 2008 Aug 12, at 20:39, Austin Hastings wrote:
Actually, I proposed some years ago allowing "separable verbs" --
function/method/operator names with spaces in them, that could in
fact bracket or intersperse themselves with other parameters.
This would be a way of writing "if ... elsif ..
On 2008 Aug 18, at 14:20, Patrick R. Michaud wrote:
I'm going to mark this ticket as resolved for now, and we can
open new tickets if we determine that .perl really does need
to work on code objects. :-)
fwiw, last time I checked pugs output the AST or something silly like
that.
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On 2008 Sep 1, at 15:20, Larry Wall wrote:
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 05:52:28PM +0200, TSa wrote:
John M. Dlugosz wrote:
Perhaps the supplier of the CPAN module for the nth function could
also include, besides the actual function, an optimization pattern
plug-in that locates the idiom in the pars
On 2008 Sep 6, at 13:57, Larry Wall wrote:
But basically I think NIL is a mild form of failure anyway, so it's
fine with me if () is a form of failure that is smart enough to be
I'm thinking () is the non-scalar (list, array, capture, maybe hash)
version of undef, which acts like a value unle
On 2008 Sep 24, at 17:45, David Green wrote:
On 2008-Sep-23, at 5:27 pm, Michael G Schwern wrote:
David Green wrote:
Happily, brevity often aids clarity. The rest of the time, it
should be up to one's editor; any editor worth its salt ought to
easily auto-complete "ro" into "readonly".
Ee
On 2008 Oct 1, at 22:14, Timothy S. Nelson wrote:
Hi all. I've enjoyed(?) reading over the February/March thread
entitled "Musings on operator overloading". I've brought a few
thoughts along; if they're old news, please tell me
here to do more reading on it :).
The Perl6 way to do this i
On 2008 Oct 1, at 22:23, Timothy S. Nelson wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote:
On 2008 Oct 1, at 22:14, Timothy S. Nelson wrote:
Hi all. I've enjoyed(?) reading over the February/March thread
entitled "Musings on operator overloading". I've brou
On Oct 2, 2008, at 10:36 , Timothy S. Nelson wrote:
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Timothy S. Nelson wrote:
Now that Perl6 is in the mix, though, I think that the best way to
do it is to make roles that model eg. Nodes, Plexes (Documents),
Elements, and the like, and then have operators on them do all
On 2008 Nov 7, at 17:49, Mark J. Reed wrote:
I'm sure this has been hashed out somewhere I wasn't looking, but i
would really prefer for pathname ops not to be mixed in to the Str
class. Maybe they could be put in a Pathname subclass of Str, with a
simple literal syntax or short unary operator t
On 2008 Nov 14, at 12:14, Larry Wall wrote:
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 07:19:31PM -0600, Patrick R. Michaud wrote:
: S06:2362 says:
:
: You can get the current routine name by calling C<&?
ROUTINE.name>.
: (The outermost routine at a file-scoped compilation unit is
always
: named C<&
On 2008 Nov 21, at 13:20, Larry Wall wrote:
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 09:57:30AM -0800, dpuu wrote:
: On Nov 21, 9:16 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry Wall) wrote:
: > Please feel free to whack on the spec
: The definition of C includes the statement that it's not
: available on most system unless you'
On 2008 Nov 21, at 14:13, Dave Whipp wrote:
The restriction of chown to the superuser is a property of the OS,
not the files. The example from the pod is:
man pathconf
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On 2008 Nov 23, at 18:35, dpuu wrote:
On Nov 23, 2:33 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aristotle Pagaltzis) wrote:
The API you propose does not seem to me to shorten code at all
and is likely to lead to problematic code, so it seems like a
bad idea. Interfaces should be designed to encourage people to
do
On 2008 Nov 24, at 10:36, dpuu wrote:
On Nov 23, 3:56 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH)
wrote:
I think you're seeing something other than what we are. Checking any
external resource before operating on it introduces a race condition
which can allow an attacker to swap reso
On 2008 Nov 24, at 10:45, dpuu wrote:
PS. From S16, q{ ... On POSIX systems, you can detect this condition
this way:
use POSIX qw(sysconf _PC_CHOWN_RESTRICTED);
$can_chown_giveaway = not sysconf(_PC_CHOWN_RESTRICTED);
}
From this I inferred that the purpose of this assignment was to do a
On 2008 Dec 9, at 19:56, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
* Aristotle Pagaltzis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-12-10 01:10]:
Well go on.
Btw, I just realised that it can be read as sarcastic, which I
didn’t intend. I am honestly curious, even if skeptical. I am
biased, but I am open to be convinced.
B
On 2008 Dec 9, at 21:11, Charles Bailey wrote:
It may well be that a fine-grained interface isn't practical, but
perhaps there are some basics that we could implement, such as
- set owner of this thing
- (maybe) set group of this thing
Group is problematic; I don't recall Windows having group
On 2008 Dec 11, at 20:16, Leon Timmermans wrote:
One main problem with filehandles is that are rather diverse. The only
operation that all of them have in common is close. Reading versus
Be glad Xenix is dead. There were filehandles which didn't even
support close() (they were actually handl
On 2008 Dec 11, at 23:55, howard chen wrote:
Hello, I love perl for its rich set of modules but PHP is a better
template language for
web developments. Wouldn't it be great to see if Perl6 support it?
It can be done as a library, take a look at Perl6 grammars.
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On 2008 Dec 16, at 23:00, Timothy S. Nelson wrote:
One thing I've been working on recently is a (Perl 5) object that
models package metadata. In theory, it should be able to model the
metadata from a .rpm, a .deb, a CPAN package, or whatever. Then you
read the data using a "metadata input
On 2008 Dec 20, at 13:39, Carl Mäsak wrote:
Maybe this counts as a best practice, or maybe it's more of a
"pattern". In a recent piece of code, I found a way to exploit code
blocks to act like "return statements with side effects". The
resulting code became very clean, so I decided to blog about
On 2009 Jan 4, at 8:53, Carl Mäsak wrote:
Now, I can precompile the B module to PIR without a problem, but when
I compile the A module, Rakudo/Parrot aborts because it runs the code
in B and dies.
$ parrot languages/perl6/perl6.pbc --target=pir --output=B.pir B.pm
$ parrot languages/perl6/perl6
On 2009 Jan 4, at 9:20, Richard Hainsworth wrote:
I posted an email to per6-all asking about how one should go about
reporting bugs. That message has appeared on the list.
So again: how can bugs be reported?
A quick google of "rakudo bug" points to rakudo...@perl.org
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On 2009 Jan 5, at 11:54, pugs-comm...@feather.perl6.nl wrote:
+ our Str multi method perl (Object $o)
+
+Returns a perlish representation of the object, so that calling
C
+on the returned string reproduces the object as good as possible.
My inner English teacher cringes in pain. It should b
On 2009 Jan 11, at 3:50, Richard Hainsworth wrote:
To be precise - why the ':' after the sort?
'%players.sort' calls the 'sort' method/sub on the hash '%players'.
'{.value}' runs '.value' on $_ at some point. But when?
So once again, what is the ':' doing? How else could this code be
writt
On 2009 Jan 12, at 15:17, Ovid wrote:
"
בָּרוּךְ שֵׁם כְּבוֹד מַלְכוּתוֹ
לְעוֹלָם וָעֶד."
If you can't see that in your client, that's Hebrew from http://www.i18nguy.com/unicode/shma.html
and means "Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One".
Actually that's the res
On 2009 Jan 21, at 7:35, Carl Mäsak wrote:
Moritz (>):
So Larry and Patrick developed the idea of creating an
adverb on the test operator instead:
$x == 1e5 :ok('the :ok makes this is a test');
I'm trying to explain to myself why I don't like this idea at all. I'm
only partially successfu
On 2009 Jan 30, at 11:30, Larry Wall wrote:
So I'm open to suggestions for what we ought to call that envelope
if we don't call it the prelude or the perlude. Locale is bad,
environs is bad, context is bad...the wrapper? But we have dynamic
wrappers already, so that's bad. Maybe the setting, l
On 2009 Feb 4, at 11:45, Aaron Crane wrote:
FWIW, I prefer the traditional spelling, "writable". Google suggests
that "writeable" is more common on the web, though; 4.8 versus 3.7
Mghits.
I have to admit that "writable" suggests to me that you can serve a
writ on it; an unlikely case for eve
On 2009 Feb 4, at 12:56, Leon Timmermans wrote:
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:37 PM,
wrote:
+=item method IO dup()
Do we really want that? POSIX' dup does something different from what
many will expect. In particular, the new file descriptors share the
offset, which can result in some really con
On 2009 Feb 5, at 13:51, Larry Wall wrote:
Pity that -F specifies the ground. Hey, I know, let's make -G the
figure, that makes about as much sense as -x vs +x, or electrons
vs positrons... :)
Someone's been rereading _Gödel,_Escher,_Bach_?
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On 2009 Feb 6, at 6:24, Daniel Ruoso wrote:
Em Sex, 2009-02-06 às 02:07 -0500, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH escreveu:
I would think fcntl() is just the Unix version of a more general
concept, which is probably wider than POSIX.
Maybe this wider concepts can be expressed in their own roles, as
On 2009 Feb 14, at 12:01, Leon Timmermans wrote an unending refrain of:
Why should this do POSIX? What about non-POSIX operating systems?
I think the point here is that on POSIX systems that gets you ioctl()
and fcntl(), and on non-POSIX systems either they don't exist or they
throw runtim
On 2009 Feb 15, at 22:50, Timothy S. Nelson wrote:
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009, Leon Timmermans wrote:
+=item sysopen
I vote for sysopen (and all other sys functions) to be wiped out of
existence.
Disagree -- I think these belong in IO::Unbuffered. Maybe we could
make that optional, though
I
On 2009 Feb 16, at 22:44, Timothy S. Nelson wrote:
So you can have a stream handle which does IO::Writeable, but will
throw an error on any attempt to write? Anyway, you've answered my
question in the other e-mail.
Not sure what you're getting at, but the obvious example is a
writeable h
On 2009 Feb 17, at 1:54, Timothy S. Nelson wrote:
Hi all. According to S29, the Perl 5 format() function is
obsolete, and it says "See Exegesis 7". According to Exegesis 7,
there will be a Form.pm which implements similar functionality, but
has to be "use"d. My questions are:
1. Is
On 2009 Feb 20, at 12:21, Daniel Ruoso wrote:
Em Sex, 2009-02-20 às 10:40 -0600, Dave Rolsky escreveu:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Daniel Ruoso wrote:
If we're going to use an epoch, it should be the Operating System's
epoch. Anything else will lead to confusion and disorder ;P
And which OS epoch wou
On 2009 Feb 20, at 14:36, Chris Dolan wrote:
UTC: TAI with an offset, as corrected for the actual revolution of
the
Earth: usually 60 seconds in a minute, but occasionally 59 or 61. 60
minutes in every hour (so 3599, 3600, or 3601 seconds), 24 hours in
every day (86399, 86400, or 86401 seconds
On 2009 Feb 22, at 22:47, pugs-comm...@feather.perl6.nl wrote:
+$?PUGS_VERSION # Pugs version (not canonical)
+$*PUGS_HAS_HSPLUGINS # True if Pugs was compiled with support
for hsplugins
+ # (not canonical)
These should not be part of the standard. But while
On 2009 Feb 23, at 22:43, Timothy S. Nelson wrote:
On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, jason switzer wrote:
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 9:47 PM,
wrote:
+$*PROGRAM_NAME # name of the program being executed
How does this differ from $*EXECUTABLE_NAME?
Good question. Anyone?
I would assume $*PRO
On 2009 Feb 23, at 8:34, Ruud H.G. van Tol wrote:
Martin D Kealey wrote:
Ah, we want a noun that isn't readily confused as an adjective.
Suitable terms might include: Instant Jiffy Juncture Moment
Occasion Snap Tick ...
Once :)
"Then"?
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On 2009 Feb 26, at 13:00, Jon Lang wrote:
I'm not sold on the notion that Num should represent a range of values
Arguably a range is the only sane meaning of a floating point number.
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On Feb 26, 2009, at 14:27 , Jon Lang wrote:
Jon Lang wrote:
Brandon S. Allbery wrote:
Jon Lang wrote:
I'm not sold on the notion that Num should represent a range of
values
Arguably a range is the only sane meaning of a floating point number.
Perhaps; but a Num is not necessarily a floatin
On 2009 Mar 2, at 6:19, Timothy S. Nelson wrote:
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Chris Dolan wrote:
On Mar 2, 2009, at 12:04 AM, Timothy S. Nelson wrote:
Hi. I note that we have $?OS, $?VM, and $?DISTRO (and their $*
counterparts). I'd like to recommend that we eliminate $?OS, and
replace it with $?K
On Jan 24, 2008, at 23:23 , Darren Duncan wrote:
I'd be more interested in hearing what precedents if any exist in
this regard. What do other languages call the same concepts?
data Ord = LT | EQ | GT -- Haskell
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On Feb 9, 2008, at 11:43 , Richard Hainsworth wrote:
I posted an idea about pluralisation could be handled in a way that
would not be English-centric (Subject: interpolation
contextualisation). There were no responses to the idea. Was it so
bad? Did no one see it? Was it too un-perlish? Wa
On Feb 21, 2008, at 14:42 , Larry Wall wrote:
Again, that was a really good argument for pugs, which among other
things *renewed* excitement in parrot. But pugs also demonstrated
some
difficulties with that approach. The fact is that every approach has
run into almost insurmountable diffic
Hm, I see a minor nit...
On Feb 23, 2008, at 12:40 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
+A C may share dispatch with multis declared after it in the
same scope,
-^^
but in that case it functions only as the final tie-breaker if the
inner multies can't decide
On Apr 1, 2008, at 6:13 , John M. Dlugosz wrote:
Meanwhile, how do I use it?
my Buf $temp = $record;
$stream.print ($temp);
$stream.print (Buf $record);
> $stream.print($record.pack) # I would think?
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On Apr 1, 2008, at 13:25 , John M. Dlugosz wrote:
Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH allbery-at-ece.cmu.edu |Perl 6| wrote:
$stream.print (Buf $record);
> $stream.print($record.pack) # I would think?
A .pack member function on a Compact struct is indeed my first gut
feeling, but at the end
On Apr 5, 2008, at 15:07 , John M. Dlugosz wrote:
What is a "list comprehension"? I've seen that term bantered
around here.
The term comes from Haskell and Python; it's a shorthand notation for
list generation and filtering.
[x | x <- some expression involving y, y = some range
exp
On Apr 6, 2008, at 12:07 , John M. Dlugosz wrote:
Larry Wall larry-at-wall.org |Perl 6| wrote:
and think you've gotten anywhere, since you'd then have to rewrite it
again:
$foo.postcircumfix:<( )>.postcircumfix:<( )>.($bar)
$foo.postcircumfix:<( )>.postcircumfix:<( )>.postcircumfix:<(
On Apr 10, 2008, at 13:29 , John M. Dlugosz wrote:
I might have misremembered, but i thought labels were followed by a
colon in Perl 6. A quick scan of the docs... "
It is illegal for a provisional subroutine call to be followed by a
colon postfix, since such a colon is allowed only on an indi
On Apr 10, 2008, at 18:58 , Bob Rogers wrote:
From: Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:00:53 -0700
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 03:41:19PM -0500, John M. Dlugosz wrote:
Well, lessee. The Common Lisp spec calls them "situations" in the
definition of (eval-when)...
On Apr 13, 2008, at 1:20 , John M. Dlugosz wrote:
So, what is the role of the inner and outer return types that are
declared on the function?
While some details have changed since then, you might want to review
this thread:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg21114.html
(T
On Apr 13, 2008, at 1:28 , John M. Dlugosz wrote:
I don't like the assignments of 'returns' and 'of'. I think it is
easily confused. I've written
foo (Int $x)
returns Int
I think the main problem here is that "of" is there only for
completeness; one would normally say
our Int sub foo
On Apr 13, 2008, at 2:02 , John M. Dlugosz wrote:
In Perl 6, I think you would have to arrange to write the return
type later rather than sooner to do this:
sub foo (::T $a, T $b)
is of T
and writing it the other way around would violate the one-pass
parsing.
Just from looking at thi
On Apr 16, 2008, at 3:49 , John M. Dlugosz wrote:
Or, are the operators written in a tricky way, to return an object
that encapsulates the original right argument and the proper
boolean result, and has forms to take this object as well? IOW, no
built-in support.
Yes, they use multiple-ty
On Apr 16, 2008, at 3:44 , TSa wrote:
I found two dissertations and a couple of papers about typing
JavaScript. The quintessential is that optional typing is
defined as having *no* impact on the dynamic behavior of the
program. In that respect type annotations are like comments.
I doubt that thi
On Apr 21, 2008, at 9:39 , John M. Dlugosz wrote:
TSa Thomas.Sandlass-at-barco.com |Perl 6| wrote:
I think the type is just :( $: :named$ ) if you want to extract
the invocant with a $ prefix. Otherwise it would be :( $, :named
$ ) and you
extract the item positionally with prefix @ or .[].
On Apr 30, 2008, at 8:43 AM, TSa wrote:
John M. Dlugosz wrote:
"isa" as a synonym for "is" that turns on warnings is documented at
the end of my paper under "Concepts discussed in this paper that
are not on the Synopses".
I totally agree! Using 'isa' pulls in the type checker. Do we have
On Apr 30, 2008, at 15:14 , Jon Lang wrote:
Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote:
It occurs to me that this shouldn't be new keywords, but adverbs,
i.e. ``is
:strict Dog''.
On a side note, I'd like to make a request of the Perl 6 community
with regard to coding style:
On Apr 30, 2008, at 15:14 , Jon Lang wrote:
only is "is :strictly Dog" more legible, but it leaves room for the
possible future inclusion of adjective-based syntax such as "big Dog"
It occurs to me that we already have this: we call them "types".
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On May 1, 2008, at 0:53 , chromatic wrote:
correctness sense. Sadly, both trees and dogs bark.)
Hm, no. One's a noun, the other's a verb. Given the linguistic
orientation of Perl6, it seems a bit strange that the syntax for both
is the same: while accessors and mutators are *implement
On May 1, 2008, at 1:30 , Jon Lang wrote:
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On May 1, 2008, at 0:53 , chromatic wrote:
correctness sense. Sadly, both trees and dogs bark.)
Hm, no. One's a noun, the other's a
On May 1, 2008, at 1:46 , Larry Wall wrote:
On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 01:34:45AM -0400, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
wrote:
On May 1, 2008, at 1:30 , Jon Lang wrote:
In defense of chromatic's point, both people and syrup run.
But there *is* some commonality there, to the extent that bot
On 2008 May 2, at 5:50, TSa wrote:
Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote:
It occurs to me that this shouldn't be new keywords, but adverbs,
i.e. ``is :strict Dog''.
Great idea! But aren't named args required to be after required ones?
I was guessing, I still haven't
On 2008 May 3, at 6:25, Richard Hainsworth wrote:
- if u want to add a role to an existing object, perl wraps the
object into a class, adds the role, reinstantiates the object.
As I understand it, Perl inserts a new anonymous class as the object's
parent, and adds the role to that. The ob
On 2008 May 6, at 10:15, Jon Lang wrote:
Signature? If so, what kind of object does the Signature object
return if I ask it to give me its invocant? Surely not another
Signature object? Whatever it is that Perl 6 returns in that case
Turtle? :)
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brandon s. allbery [solaris,freebsd,perl
On 2008 May 7, at 4:21, TSa wrote:
BTW, what is a flack?
He's using "flak" (shrapnel; usual usage "catching flak over ...")
without understanding it.
Coming back to how C++ handles static overloading. How is
the sort order of (int *), (int &), (int), (const int *),
(const int &), (const
On 2008 May 7, at 7:21, Carl Mäsak wrote:
Ben (>):
I've just received an error message saying:
elseif should be elsif at blah.pl line 103.
What happened to do-what-I-mean?
I'm not sure laxity among keywords would really be a feature.
Correctly spelled, it's "elsif" in Perl, so why allow mi
On 2008 May 10, at 21:46, John M. Dlugosz wrote:
In S06, what is the difference between "is ref" and "is rw"? The
text says that the rw may be converted to an lvalue, and that ref
must already be. But what is that supposed to mean?
At a guess, "is rw" makes a parameter variable into a l
On 2008 May 15, at 1:30, Me Here wrote:
"John M. Dlugosz" wrote:
no strong_type_check :rw
in scope can turn that off, in case you want to play dirty tricks.
What is the point of be able to mark things readonly if the compiler
does reject assignment attempts?
(assuming you meant "doesn't")
On 2008 May 17, at 4:10, Carl Mäsak wrote:
Whether we're risking the loss of important compiler optimizations by
allowing overriding of variable RO-ness is not for me to say, that's
up to the compiler writers around here. It seems to me you make it
sound worse than it really is, that optimizati
On 2008 Jun 3, at 3:15, John M. Dlugosz wrote:
Jon Lang dataweaver-at-gmail.com |Perl 6| wrote:
type (i.e., 'num'). Somehow, I had got it into my head that Num
was a
role that is done by all types that represent values on the real
number line, be they integers, floating-point, rationals, or
On 2008 Jun 3, at 4:19, John M. Dlugosz wrote:
Jon Lang dataweaver-at-gmail.com |Perl 6| wrote:
e .
Learn from the Haskell folks, who are still trying to untangle the
mess they
made of their numeric hierarchy (see
http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Mathematical_prelude_discussion).
I'll loo
On 2008 Jun 5, at 18:43, Larry Wall wrote:
Maybe it's just a temporary lack of imagination, but I'm having
trouble
these days coming up with any kind of a use case for confusing single
dispatch with multiple dispatch. Yeah, I know I wrote that, but I was
either smarter or stupider back then.
On 2008 Jun 6, at 23:53, Vasily Chekalkin wrote:
jerry gay wrote:
would you reformat this in universal diff format please? my patch
program doesn't speak git.
Strange... It is 'universal diff' format. Can be applied with
'patch -p1 < eval.diff' in top-level parrot directory. Or with
'patch -
Minor typo:
On 2008 Jul 16, at 15:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
+(again, conceptually at the entry to the outer lexical scope, but
+possible deferred.)
sub foo {
"possibly"
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On 2008 Jul 16, at 18:48, Jon Lang wrote:
Moritz Lenz wrote:
Principle of least surprise:
Suppose sqrt(1) returns any(1, -1):
if sqrt($x) < 0.5 { do something }
I can see the big, fat WTF written in the face of programmer who
tries
to debug that code, and doesn't know about junctions. It j
On 2009 Mar 31, at 17:04, Moritz Lenz wrote:
We had a discussion on #perl6 tonight about how to implement want(),
and
basically came to no conclusion. Then I came up with the idea that any
lazy implementor will come up with: drop it from the language.
Hm, I was under the impression that want(
On May 18, 2009, at 09:21 , Mark J. Reed wrote:
If you're doing arithmetic with the code points or scalar values of
characters, then the specific numbers would seem to matter. I'm
I would argue that if you are working with a grapheme cluster
("grapheme"), arithmetic on individual grapheme v
On May 18, 2009, at 14:16 , Larry Wall wrote:
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:11:32AM +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote:
3) Details of 'life-time', round-trip.
Which is a very interesting topic, with connections to type theory,
scope/domain management, and security issues (such as the possibility
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