So I'd change that to "after a production release of a Perl 6 compiler"
Out of curiosity (because I think it will illuminate some of the difficulty
Rakudo devs have in declaring something to be a "production release"):
- What constitues a "production release"?
- What was the first prod
Although everything you said is technically true, I must point out
that without a definitive release, potential users will tend to avoid
the software. For people not involved in the process (i.e. 99.995% of
Perl users) it is impossible to know when the software is good enough
for use. You may talk
Hear! Hear!
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From: Daniel Carrera [mailto:dcarr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:15 AM
To: Richard Hainsworth
Cc: perl6-us...@perl.org
Subject: Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
Although everything you said is technically
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Anderson, Jim wrote:
> Hear! Hear!
Uhmm... sorry if I looked angry or whatever. Email is at times a poor
medium of communication because you lose details like tone of voice
and body language. I just wanted to highlight something that I think
is relevant to anyone wh
There has been requests and talk of a production release for years now. Fancy
titles released have come out monthly and quarterly for some time. At some
point you have to say it simply isn't a good product or it is going to
production how long are we going to hear excuses of my dog died past wee
It seems you may have concluded something not intended.
It is blindingly obvious that the majority of language users, people who
do not have the resources (time, skill set, training) to test a language
before using it, will only start to use a language when it is
recommended by 'those in autho
On Wed, 2011-05-01 at 19:05 +0300, Richard Hainsworth wrote:
> It seems you may have concluded something not intended.
I was unsurprised at the reaction to your post.
[snip]
> I think the issue of a version number is irrelevant, given the vested
Clearly you were wrong.
[snip]
> For my part, I
Without the development phenomenon of Perl6, it's difficult to see how
Moose and other improvements in perl 5 would have occurred.
Despite the frustrations in following the growth of Pugs, then Rakudo,
it's been fun, worthwhile and inspiring. A bit like life really. Do you
really want it to en
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Richard Hainsworth wrote:
> It is blindingly obvious that the majority of language users, ..., will only
> start to use a language
> when it is recommended by 'those in authority'...
>
> I think the issue of a version number is irrelevant
1) You have more or less
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 17:30, Guy Hulbert wrote:
> Rakudo is not listed here:
> http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/
> Fixing that is something I'd like to help with.
>
> Note that go was listed *before* it was announced. That tells me that
> the go authors are, in some small way, more serious abo
My point is make it a production release so peeps can push it to the powers
that be in the corporate world. This has been the longest production build in
test in the history of mankind. If this was a real world project it would have
been dead sometime ago.
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Wendell Hatcher
we
On Wed, 2011-05-01 at 18:02 +0100, Jan Ingvoldstad wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 17:30, Guy Hulbert wrote:
>
> > Rakudo is not listed here:
> > http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/
> > Fixing that is something I'd like to help with.
> >
> > Note that go was listed *before* it was announced. That
On 01/05/11 19:48, Daniel Carrera wrote:
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Richard Hainsworth wrote:
It is blindingly obvious that the majority of language users, ..., will only
start to use a language
when it is recommended by 'those in authority'...
I think the issue of a version number is i
I have to agree I don't think this is a serious project. In-fact at this point
it seems like a bunch of friends working on a hobby in their basement.
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On Jan
On Wed, 2011-05-01 at 10:24 -0700, Wendell Hatcher wrote:
> I have to agree I don't think this is a serious project. In-fact at
> this point it seems like a bunch of friends working on a hobby in
> their basement.
I'm not sure I said anything to agree with. You seem to misinterpret my
intention.
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Richard Hainsworth wrote:
> From what Larry has already said, I dont think he ever will say the Perl 6
> spec is ready. The spec and the language are evolving together. That is what
> the waterfall and attractor stuff was all about.
Not relevant. The question is wh
'serious project' ???
For some 'serious' people, Perl6 is a 'serious project'. Concepts of
'serious' differ amongst reasonable people. Not a problem if your
'serious' aint my 'serious'.
As an aside, it took 358 years to prove Fermat's Last Theorem. Wiles -
who proved it - shut himself away f
Guy,
Your idea is actually exactly what I was suggesting when I said 'example
programs'.
I think there are/were perl6 versions for the shootout problems. I am
not sure what happened to them.
Getting benchmarking will be interesting.
Regards,
Richard
On 01/05/11 20:15, Guy Hulbert wrote:
On Wed, 2011-05-01 at 20:51 +0300, Richard Hainsworth wrote:
> 'serious project' ???
>
> For some 'serious' people, Perl6 is a 'serious project'. Concepts of
> 'serious' differ amongst reasonable people. Not a problem if your
> 'serious' aint my 'serious'.
For programming languages, there are
On Wed, 2011-05-01 at 21:04 +0300, Richard Hainsworth wrote:
> Guy,
>
> Your idea is actually exactly what I was suggesting when I said
> 'example
> programs'.
What convinced me that rakudo is worth pursuing was the 3-line dice
class with a roll() method. What I do now is 'use fields' and build
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Let me just give a probably totally irrelevant comment here.
I think most of the open source projects have been in use by
many people in production environment before the project had
a "production release". I guess there are still places that think
Linux is not good for their production environment
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On Wed, 2011-05-01 at 13:15 -0500, Guy Hulbert wrote:
> > Getting benchmarking will be interesting.
>
> I hope I have time. I'm planning to compile and run one C and one
> perl
> program today and see if the outputs are the same (that's my
> understanding, so far, of the requirements for alioth).
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