* Smylers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070621 20:33]:
> Documentation, unlike code, doesn't have to be backwards compatible: if
> Perl 6.0.1 changes the API of a standard function that will break
> existing code; but if Perl 6.0.1 has documentation with a different
> structure from Perl 6.0.0, that won't b
> Juerd wrote:
>> This dedicated OO documentation must be core, because Perl itself is
>> heavily OO.
* Damian Conway ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070621 23:54]:
> Yes. I completely agree that such a tool not be standard and universally
Do you mean "must be" i.s.o. "not be"?
> available. Just as the p
Mark Overmeer sought to clarify:
* Damian Conway ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070621 23:54]:
Yes. I completely agree that such a tool not be standard and universally
Do you mean "must be" i.s.o. "not be"?
Oops. Indeed. Can't even claim it must have been a Freudian slip, since I
really *do* believe
* Damian Conway ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070621 08:07]:
> Mark Overmeer wrote:
> [...yet another honest and heartfelt plea for Pod 6 to be something
> entirely different from what it is currently designed to be.]
> The solution is simple, you know, Mark. Why not just write up your own
> alternate S26,
Mark Overmeer wrote:
You may remember that I repeatedly asked @Larry not to forget the
documentation aspect in the redesign of Perl, in person during various
YAPCs and Workshops. Then, when you finally took the challenge, I have
send you a extensive email showing various alternative syntaxes fo
I fully agree with David's response to this mail. The only
thing I would like to add:
* Smylers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070621 18:02]:
> [*0] Consider a function C. I'd document it along
> the lines of:
>
> valid_postcode
>
> Returns whether the specified postcode is valid, for ex
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 11:08:25PM -0700, chromatic wrote:
> On Thursday 21 June 2007 17:44:38 Mark Glines wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:38:15 -0700
> >
> > chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > -return string_from_cstring(INTERP, "Str", 3);
> > > > +return str
Juerd Waalboer writes:
> Smylers skribis 2007-06-21 23:23 (+0100):
>
> > Of course. But there's a big difference between the attitude of
> > 'let's do the best we can right now' and 'this is our one chance to
> > do this right'.
>
> I think that for some things, mainly for setting community sta
Mark Overmeer wrote:
Then, when you want to add some docs to the method, to help the
correct use, add it, for instance like:
method isValidPostalCode(str $postalcode) returns bool {...}
` Check wether the postal code confirms to the standards
`$postalcode: a string with blanks trimm
Darren Duncan writes:
> At 11:23 PM +0100 6/21/07, Smylers wrote:
>
> > Has Larry yet decreed whether Web will be bundled with Perl 6?
>
> I believe that what Larry has said is that there are no official core
> modules, ... So ... not something to worry about now.
Thanks for that, Darren.
Smyl
David Green writes:
> Well, clutter like "Blah: none" seems to me to be more the fault of
> the doc-formatter for not hiding lines like that.
It's more the repetition in the lines you snipped that I really object
to: given the function's name, the name(s) of its parameter(s), and the
short descri
* Damian Conway ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070622 08:38]:
> And, no, I don't consider the pointers to your excellent module to be
> suitable specific examples of what we're not giving you...mainly because I
> believe that the Pod 6 documentation language I've designed (in conjunction
> with the abilit
* Damian Conway ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070622 09:02]:
> Mark Overmeer wrote:
> >Then, when you want to add some docs to the method, to help the
> >correct use, add it, for instance like:
> >
> > method isValidPostalCode(str $postalcode) returns bool {...}
> > ` Check wether the postal code confi
Damian Conway wrote:
> Mark Overmeer wrote:
> Would the following syntax suffice?
>
> method isValidPostalCode(str $postalcode) returns bool {...}
> =PURPOSE Check weather the postal code confirms to the standards
> =ARG $postalcode
> a string with blanks trimmed.
> =RETUR
* Moritz Lenz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070622 09:16]:
> Damian Conway wrote:
> > Would the following syntax suffice?
> >
> > method isValidPostalCode(str $postalcode) returns bool {...}
> > =PURPOSE Check weather the postal code confirms to the standards
> > =ARG $postalcode
> > a
> >> Mark Overmeer wrote:
> >> >Then, when you want to add some docs to the method, to help the
> >> >correct use, add it, for instance like:
> >> >
> >> > method isValidPostalCode(str $postalcode) returns bool {...}
> >> > ` Check wether the postal code confirms to the standards
> >* Damian
Mark Overmeer wrote:
* Damian Conway ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070622 09:02]:
> Mark Overmeer wrote:
> >Then, when you want to add some docs to the method, to help the
> >correct use, add it, for instance like:
> >
> > method isValidPostalCode(str $postalcode) returns bool {...}
> > ` Check wethe
Mark Overmeer wrote:
IMO, POD6 should not provide the possibility to build such tools: it
should *be* the tool. With a nice (compact) standard definition how
to document each of the designed features in Perl6
And this is a succinct statement of one half of our fundamental philosophical
differ
Author: coke
Date: Fri Jun 22 05:59:29 2007
New Revision: 19257
Modified:
trunk/docs/pdds/draft/pdd01_overview.pod
Changes in other areas also in this revision:
Modified:
trunk/ (props changed)
Log:
[docs]
* simple typo fix (Infinoid++)
Modified: trunk/docs/pdds/draft/pdd01_overview
Mark Overmeer wrote:
>> Would the following syntax suffice?
>>
>>method isValidPostalCode(str $postalcode) returns bool {...}
>>=PURPOSE Check weather the postal code confirms to the standards
>>=ARG $postalcode
>>a string with blanks trimmed.
>>=RETURN
>>the stri
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:07:32 +0100
Nicholas Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > We have a lot of string_from_cstring() calls with constant second
> > parameters and third parameters of 0 that could use updating.
> > There's no sense in calling strlen() all the time.
>
> I think that you need some
Peter Scott writes:
> can someone tell me why you can't just use && ... || in place of ??
> ... !!, now that && and || propagate context to both sides?
You get the wrong result when the antecedent is true and the consequent is
false:
my $a = 1 ?? 0 !! 42;
# Now $a is 0
my $b = 1 && 0 || 42
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Andy Lester wrote:
> pmichaud and I figured today that the segfaulting in 06-grammar.t is
> caused by optimization, with the --optimize flag.
When pursuing such issues, I've occasionally found it useful to configure
with
perl5.8 Configure.pl --optimize=-g
--
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 06:20:49 +1000, Damian Conway wrote:
> The mandatory else-part is one of the most valuable features of
> the ternary operator. It helps ensure that variables initialized with a
> cascaded ternary actually do get initialized
Notwithstanding the above argument, can someone tell
Damian Conway wrote:
> You gave the hint that comments are also in the parse tree.
They can be. Better still, the (raw) Pod can also be kept in the parse
tree...since, like comments, the Perl parser still has to recognize it, even
when it's focusing on extracting Perl.
...And since the Perl p
On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 03:40:37PM +0100, Aaron Crane wrote:
> my $b = 1 && 0 || 42;
> # Now $b is 17
s/17/42/ or vice-versa, I think.
--
Paraphernalia/Never hides your broken bones,/ And I don't know why you'd
want to try:/ It's plain to see you're on your own.-- Paul Simon
http://s
Daniel Hulme writes:
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 03:40:37PM +0100, Aaron Crane wrote:
> > my $b = 1 && 0 || 42;
> > # Now $b is 17
> s/17/42/ or vice-versa, I think.
Uh, yes. Serves me right for trying to change metasyntactic numbers
midstream.
--
Aaron Crane
On 6/22/07, Mark Overmeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
snip
* Jonathan Lang ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070622 10:41]:
snip
> Please forgive my ignorance: what does "AST" stand for?
The Abstract Syntax Tree, the result of the code parser, un-interpreted.
snip
You mean it isn't Andrew S. Tanenbaum? W
On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 09:30:40AM -0700, Mark Glines wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:28:40 -0700
> chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Friday 22 June 2007 02:07:32 Nicholas Clark wrote:
> > > I think that you need something like this
> > > /* concatenating with "" ensures that only literal
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:36:28 -0500
"Patrick R. Michaud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Also, using sizeof() will fix some cases that strlen() doesn't
> > handle correctly, specifically, strings containing explicit null
> > characters. src/objects.c has a few examples of that.
> > string_to_cstring(
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Smylers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Juerd Waalboer writes:
>
> > Smylers skribis 2007-06-21 21:33 (+0100):
> >
> > > I disagree. perldoc.perl.org was started by JJ, gained popularity,
> > > and then got awarded the official blessing of the onion. Over the
> > >
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 03:28:40PM -0700, chromatic wrote:
> On Friday 22 June 2007 02:07:32 Nicholas Clark wrote:
>
> > > We have a lot of string_from_cstring() calls with constant second
> > > parameters and third parameters of 0 that could use updating. There's no
> > > sense in calling strlen
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:28:40 -0700
chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday 22 June 2007 02:07:32 Nicholas Clark wrote:
> > I think that you need something like this
> >
> > /* concatenating with "" ensures that only literal strings are
> > accepted as argument */ #define STR_WITH_LEN(s) (s
I have a feeling we've sorta assumed some use cases for whatever Pod
design we're advocating, so I thought I'd write down what I'd like to
do with Pod. At this level, I don't care how it gets done, which model
it uses, or anything else.
This isn't a fantasy wishlist of anything I think I might wan
Thanks, applied in r19258.
On Friday 22 June 2007 09:30:40 Mark Glines wrote:
> > If we're passing in a string literal, it seems silly to pass in a
> > length of 0, as we're recalculating a constant on every call. I
> > don't see that this macro fixes that.
> It uses sizeof, not strlen. So, it pushes the calculation to
>
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:35:00 -0700
chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > If we're passing in a string literal, it seems silly to pass in a
> > > length of 0, as we're recalculating a constant on every call. I
> > > don't see that this macro fixes that.
>
> > It uses sizeof, not strlen. So,
On Thursday 21 June 2007 15:23:38 Smylers wrote:
> Has Larry yet decreed whether Web will be bundled with Perl 6?
I also like to proceed from the assumption that the only core modules should
be those required to install other modules.
-- c
On Friday 22 June 2007 10:42:35 Mark Glines wrote:
> Great! Here's a reissued patch with the name changed to
> string_from_literal().
I have a meeting in 30 seconds, but I'll review the patch and apply it
afterward.
Oops, -10 seconds.
-- c
On 6/22/07, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thursday 21 June 2007 15:23:38 Smylers wrote:
> Has Larry yet decreed whether Web will be bundled with Perl 6?
I also like to proceed from the assumption that the only core modules should
be those required to install other modules.
-- c
Pl
On Friday 22 June 2007 11:25:11 Mark Glines wrote:
> Since I have a little more time, this patch is the same thing, but I
> used a slightly less stupid regex for my search/replace this time, so
> it caught more cases. (Previous regex was too dependent on commas and
> missed things like string_from
On Wednesday 20 June 2007 00:39:41 David Fetter wrote:
> Please find enclosed a modified .spec file for the new parrot's RPMs :)
Thanks, applied as r19261.
-- c
On Tuesday 19 June 2007 05:45:42 James Keenan wrote:
> According to its documentation, mk_manifests.pl "...generates a set
> of F files that give the final
> locations in the file system for all the installable files listed in
> F and F."
>
> The name of this program is close to that of tools/dev/
On Tuesday 12 June 2007 22:28:26 Ron Blaschke wrote:
> I tried to build r18933 and received the following error message:
>
> ...
> src\global_setup.c
> src\interpreter.c
> In file included from src\interpreter.c:38:
> ./include/parrot/oplib/core_ops.h:1: internal compiler error:
> Segmentation fau
On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 02:07:35PM -0400, Chas Owens wrote:
> On 6/22/07, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I also like to proceed from the assumption that the only core modules
> >should be those required to install other modules.
> Please, god, no. Or at least make two distributions: Bar
On Saturday 16 June 2007 23:41:30 Andy Lester wrote:
> I cringe at functions where the behavior is dependent on parms passed
> in. In the case of Parrot_get_runtime_prefix, if you call it as
> Parrot_get_runtime_prefix(&str) then str is populated, or if you call
> Parrot_get_runtime_prefix(NULL)
On 6/22/07, Daniel Hulme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 02:07:35PM -0400, Chas Owens wrote:
> On 6/22/07, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I also like to proceed from the assumption that the only core modules
> >should be those required to install other modules.
> Plea
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Andy Dougherty wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, chromatic via RT wrote:
>
> > On Monday 18 June 2007 09:54:01 Andy Dougherty wrote:
> >
> > > I'm sorry to report it, but this one isn't fixed. For example, consider
> > > test t/src_hash_6. If I compile and run it manually, I g
S03 says:
Increment of a Str (in a suitable container) works similarly
to Perl 5 except that the final alphanumeric sequence in the
string is incremented regardless of what comes before it.
What does "final alphanumeric sequence" really mean here?
Perl 5 does magic autoincrementing of
On 6/22/07, Chas Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Most of the time the policy is enacted by lower-case-l lazy sysadmins
who can't be bothered to type
perl -MCPAN -e install Foo::Bar
My normal route around them is to install the module into the home
directory of the user who is going to run the
On 6/22/07, jerry gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 6/22/07, Chas Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Most of the time the policy is enacted by lower-case-l lazy sysadmins
> who can't be bothered to type
>
> perl -MCPAN -e install Foo::Bar
>
> My normal route around them is to install the module i
On Friday 22 June 2007 11:07:35 Chas Owens wrote:
> Please, god, no. Or at least make two distributions: Bare Perl 6 and
> Perl 6. Many companies have a "Only Core Perl" policy. They refuse
> to install CPAN modules because "We don't trust them".
I think of this the same way I think of "Do not
On 6/22/07, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Friday 22 June 2007 11:07:35 Chas Owens wrote:
> Please, god, no. Or at least make two distributions: Bare Perl 6 and
> Perl 6. Many companies have a "Only Core Perl" policy. They refuse
> to install CPAN modules because "We don't trust them".
OK. After much thinking on the subject, here are my recommendations:
First: give Pod the ability to delimit blocks of ambient text, e.g.:
=text
class Foo {
has $bar;
}
=stop
'=text' and '=stop' would be considered to be separate but related
single-line Pod Sections, so Pod-stripping uti
On 6/22/07, Smylers wrote:
David Green writes:
Well, clutter like "Blah: none" seems to me to be more the fault of
the doc-formatter for not hiding lines like that.
It's more the repetition in the lines you snipped that I really object to:
Ah. (That was sneaky of me.) I agree with that --
The fact that you'll be able to do that in Perl6 excites me. One of the
things I use with the existing Perl5 unfortunately at times, is
commercial software which compiles Perl code into various Microsoft
formats: services, system tray icons, dll's and executables.
That proved to be extremely va
On Fri Jun 22 12:48:39 2007, chromatic at wgz.org wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 June 2007 05:45:42 James Keenan wrote:
>
> > According to its documentation, mk_manifests.pl "...generates a set
> > of F files that give the final
> > locations in the file system for all the installable files listed in
> >
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the module whose functionality executes
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Write unit tests for config/gen/parrot_include.pm,
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Write unit tests for config/gen/platform.pm,
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Write unit tests for config/auto/sizes.pm,
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Write unit tests for config/auto/msvc.pm,
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Write unit tests for config/auto/va_ptr.pm,
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Write unit tests for config/inter/ops.pm,
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Write unit tests for config/init/miniparrot.pm,
the module whose functionality executes
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Write unit tests for config/auto/format.pm,
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Write unit tests for config/auto/cgoto.pm,
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Write unit tests for config/inter/charset.pm,
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